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[edit] Skills challenge

The skills challenge might meet notability as a footnote in the awards section. However it's not worth including it as part of the season summary, as it counts for nothing. See the Michael Jordan article he won the dunk contest at it's peak and it's not mentioned anywhere in his entire article even let alone in the description of the actual season. You have to have a historical perspective on these kinds of things. See Wikipedia:Fancruft. Quadzilla99 10:52, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

    • I agree that the skills title isn't worth noting in the season summary, but I wouldn't exactly say it counts for nothing. However, in regards to Jordan's wikipedia article not containing a single mention of him winning two consecutive dunk title's--I find that extremely bizarre, and would hope to see at least a one sentence mention of it somewhere within the bio. You state that is not within a historical perspective, yet Jordan's very own NBA.com 50 Greatest Players Historical bio notes his consectuve Dunk title's[1]. That alone should imply some sort of historical significance. In addition, how can you have an intro in Jordan's Wikipedia article stating, "His leaping ability, vividly illustrated by dunking from the foul line and other feats, earned him the nicknames Air Jordan and His Airness," without once mentioning when the actual feat was performed? Zodiiak 14:43, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
      • You may be right but it should just be one isolated sentence, in the Jordan article. As for the other edits you made, regarding removing ppg I don't really understand why that's necessary. Once ppg is wikilinked the first time it's fine to have it in there the rest oif the time. In addition it saves space in the long run. I assume that's for non-fans but I'm not really sure why it's necessary. Quadzilla99 03:15, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
        • What other edits regarding ppg? Zodiiak 04:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
          • That's my bad, I confused you with someone else. Looking at the GA reviewed version I had actually removed almost all the ppg, rpg, apg myself in order to make it simpler and forgot about it. I did this because the GA reviewer had stated that they were was too much basketball terminology in there. Since then some people changed some references back to ppg instead of "he averaged [x] points during the season", or "led the team averaging [x] points." If they're wikilinked when they first appear it should be fine. However, another separate reviewer stated they should be unabbreviated also when they first appear when he reviewed at the Kirk Hinrich page. Maybe that's a good idea. Quadzilla99 06:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Titling Revert War

I suggest that we get a concensus on the titles, and leave them alone once done. - High school, I have no problem with it getting a title to match the college and NBA titles. - Off-Court versus Private, the issues listed are not just private, so I figure off-court is more general and better for the items below it. - Season on the end of each NBA year, I could care less either way. Maybe someone else can weigh in on that option. Thanks, CodeCarpenter 22:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Basically the editor who is making the changes is attempting to introduce some kind of standardized format for Wikipedia and is basically introducing it into a lot of aports articles without discussing it first. Each article is different and I don't think his standardized format is going to fly. Also, any kind of new format needs to be discussed first, not just here but on places like WP:NBA and WP:NFL. Quadzilla99 01:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Also the format is particulary ill-advised when it creates several stubby sections and makes articles over-sectionalized. Also per the Manual of Style when both styles are acceptable the style of the first major contributor is used. They are both acceptable and the current style has been in there since well before I started working on the article. Quadzilla99 01:19, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Here is the exact section of the MoS I'm referring to Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Disputes over style issues. Quadzilla99 01:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Since they have chosen not to respond, i guess that they have surrendered. CodeCarpenter 18:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dwyane Wade's name

I think it should be added that the name Wade is senegalese, the source is pretty logical most people named Wade are from senegal so maybe his parents had some encounter with someone or sumthing and decided to give him that name. Just like Talib Kweli giving his son Fela. Be reasonable on your thinking. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Geazie (talk • contribs) 07:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

If you have a source maybe we could add it. Although the fact that he had ancestors that immigrated from Senegal a hundred years ago is probably trivial. Quadzilla99 11:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Even if this was true (which I don't doubt it is) it is completely trivial and doesn't have much use in this article. jj137 02:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 06-07 Trimming

I think this Line should be removed:
Due to a prolonged injury to Shaquille O'Neal, Wade was asked to play an even larger role on the team. Although he performed well, the Heat struggled without O'Neal and were 20–25 on February 1, 2007 With O'Neal healthy and rounding into shape the Heat promptly won 6 out of 7 games and looked to regain their championship form.
Mainly because it really has nothing to do with Wade, it has to deal with the Heat's season. It has no historical value and is just bulking up the season with jargon. When you look back at the season, the only thing about Wade that seems noteable are Awards, injury/return, season stats, conflicts/controversy, and whatever happens in the playoffs. The whole season has been injury plagued for the Heat, but why hasn't any special attention been given to Riley out, Williams out, Posey and Walker suspensions, etc. Plus it's speculation to say that they didn't play well because Shaq was out...they had other players out as well, and faced different opponents Zodiiak 15:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I like to put the player's performance in the perspective of the team's somewhat. To just list stats without tying them together lacks perspective, also anything having to do with the team has to do with the player. I don't think there's real any speculation there, it mentions that O'Neal was out and the Heat struggled which their record shows. Everything in there can be sourced maybe it could be trimmed to just say the Heat were struggling but getting healthy and playing better when he got injured. Quadzilla99 15:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree you should mention his play in comparison with their team record. But highlighting Shaq as the only reason for their struggle seems like speculation. Using the same reasoning, you could easily make a case stating that Eddie Jones was the reason they began winning games. But, I just think it's better to say that despite Dwyane's play, they struggled as a team, with injuries to X, suspensions to X, etc. Zodiiak 18:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
To keep it short you could just say the team struggled with injuries and insert one or two sources that discuss Heat players that missed time due to injuries. Quadzilla99 18:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Agreed =) Gettin to that now, feel free to edit or comment once it's up Zodiiak 18:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I hinted at multiple team injuries and highlighted Shaq and Riley as key figures. Also added a few references, I think that justifies it a bit better, rather than stating that Shaq was the only reason for their early struggles (in fact, I found a source that had Doleac stating they didn't struggle with Shaq out last year, and that he thought it was more of a mental thing [probably too much partying after last years win]) Zodiiak 19:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protection?

Now that the playoffs are coming, there will be some disgruntled anonymous fans that will be trashing this page more often than is currently being done. Perhaps a protection until June might be in order? The rvv to real update % is already quite high, IMO. CodeCarpenter 17:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree that there will probably be a rise in the amount of vandalism to the article, but I don't think we can obtain a semi-protection lock unless it has already been subject to a high amount. I think we should hold off a bit before making the request, but if anyone disagrees, feel free to comment. Zodiiak 17:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
If the article is locked, it probably only needs to be for the first round..... :) X96lee15 19:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Cute. That was worth a giggle. CodeCarpenter 18:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
You can request semi-protection at WP:RFPP. Although the protection rules state it should not be used "As a preemptive measure against vandalism before any vandalism has occurred." Quadzilla99 19:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wade article

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jackson/070423

The guy does so much to help others, I figure some of that could be in the article, but I will leave it to the experts. CodeCarpenter 17:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, I think it would be relevant. Maybe you should ask an admin. :-) Burner0718 (talk) 07:15, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This has nothing to do with the playoffs

Please allow balanced discussion of this person on this website. Instead of just blanketing him in good/wholesomeness, please allow editors to paint a fair and more complete picture of this person regardless of your personal feelings. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.110.81.47 (talk) 19:45, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

Balanced discussion/editing is completely allowed. Personal Attacks and edit warring has no place on wikipedia. You refuse to read the archived discussions and ignore other editors comments. Review the archived discussions to see the consensus that was met. Zodiiak
See the archive. Quadzilla99 20:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requesting unprotection for "controversy" section

I am appauled that there is no mention of Dwyane Wade's preferntial treatment on this page. Even his most die-hard fans admit he gets ridiculous preferential calls. I have all the citations I need.

For video/statistical visit:

1) http://ko8e.blogspot.com/ 2) http://www.82games.com/fouldraw.htm

Zodiiac continues to mention this is a "critique of the NBA." That is not true. If it was a criticsm of the NBA, I would question their methods, techniques, etc.

This is about UNFAIR and UNDESERVED treatment of ONE player.

It is obvious through video and statistical evidence and it must be known that he got these calls to boost his stats to 'build his image/career/legacy. Controversy

Many players, analyst, and coaches have been highly critical of what Dwyane Wade's preferential treatment and believe he is singled out and awarded with undeserved free throws. [1]

"He gets all the calls, that's what makes him special. - Gerald Wallace [2]

"It's unbelievable what he gets away with. - Bob Hill [3]

"I can't believe he has the audacity to complain to the refs, he should be grateful for what they've done for him in his career. He is what he is today because of them." - P.J. Brown [4]

"He travels on that spin move. He picks up that pivot foot... everybody knows it. Dwayne Wade can cover so much ground when he makes that move. As you know, he can go 20 feet with that spin move and get to the basket." - Phil Jackson [5]

"You can't do nothing to D-Wade," Wallace said. "If you say boogety-boogety-boo to him, that's a foul." - Rasheed Wallace [6]

"You are an amazing player Dwayne. I love watching you shoot free throws." - Mark Cuban [7]

Interviewer: "Was it a little ridiculous how Dwyane Wade got all the calls?"

Tracy McGrady: "Yeah, yeah it really was. I'll tell you man, it seems if you were watching that game, seemed like it was rigged. Seriously. I know the NBA.... (cut off by interviewer)."

Interviewer: "You just got fined (sarcastically)."

Tracy McGrady: "I don't care. So what? But yeah it seemed like it was rigged. With all the calls he was getting. Jesus. Did you hear me? We are talking about the NBA Finals, I wish I could say I was just kidding, and that's what it seemed like." [8]

SportsNation Chris Sheridan: (12:40 PM ET) "You're preaching to the choir here, Oliver. every single night D-Wade gets three gift whistles (which even LeBron and Kobe don't get) at a minimum, and one or two late whistles, too. He's treated as preferrentially as Jordan was at the peak of his game, and it is infuriating to watch (unless you're a Heat fan). And I say all that being one of the biggest D-Wade guys around, a Marquette grad even. But it's just plain unfair to see one guy get such special treatment. It takes away from the game." [9] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lobstering (talk • contribs)

  • First and foremost, you should stop creating new user names to avoid blocks. This is your third name now, and it has been reported. Next, everything you've mentioned has already been discussed at an exhausting rate. We continue to direct you to the archives section yet you continually ignore our comments. You ridicule, bash, and personally attack editors; suggesting that we are biased. When we methodically explain our reasoning, you ignore it and revert. There's no point in trying to argue with people, when their minds are set on accusations and belittling accomplishments. That being said, I'll try and make my points clear, despite your rabbid quotes (Anyone can easily obtain quotes on Any player or person in an attempt to slam a person's character, just ask Kobe Bryant):
1. Throughout the history of the NBA, there have been accusations that the NBA gives preferential treatment to star players, from Michael Jordan to Kobe Bryant to Dwyane Wade to LeBron James. Just because YOU are not a fan of Dwyane Wade, you choose to isolate his play alone, and bash the hard work of all the editors who have put so much effort into maintaining this article.
2. With the above being said, it is a critique on the NBA's officiating, not on Dwyane Wade. What does he have to do with it? You say he forces the issue, uh, don't all players try to force the issue when slashing, isn't that what every player does to get an "And-1"? Who finished first in traditional 3 point plays? Who's ranked among the top players taking free throws for past 5 years or so? I'm pretty sure Kobe Bryant's been at the top for so long, yet there's no critique on his page, and you are not shouting biases about him.
3. Dwyane Wade is not a perimeter player, he's a slasher/finisher. Obviously his style of play will force the issue and as a result, he'll get the call. Are some calls undeserved? Of course. But that's true for ANY player in the NBA. There's no point in adding suspicions. Wikipedia is here for verifiability. And unless some Ref or someone inside the NBA says, yeah you know what, I deliberately gave this guy calls because he smells good, was overlooked in the draft behind Melo and James, and I wanted him to top them both, so I decided to give him the call when his wrist was shattered.

That being said, do not create any more new user names in attempts to avoid Wikipedia's blocks. Your names are being reported and can result in a permanent ban. You're welcome to your opinion's, but whenever new, highly arguable material is added to a good article page, consensus must be allowed to avoid Edit Warring and Personal Attacks. Both of which you have already done in your attempt to single-out the article. Zodiiak 22:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

  • This is my first account ever on wikipedia, don't judge me you loser. Just because other people have posted same material about Wade doesn't mean I am them. -Lobstering
Sure it is. You know it's very easy for Admins or WikiUsers to find out the truth? Everything is logged. Not sure why you are personally attacking me, are you going to cry as well? Take some time off and relax. Zodiiak 05:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

- go check the IP adresses, I probably live in a different city than that guy. - Lobstering.

[edit] Add criticism to NBA article sockpuppet

Even if it were true (which it's not) it's really a criticism of the NBA not Wade, what's Wade supposed to do turn down the foul calls? Stupid. Quadzilla99 22:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Its a critiscm of their complimentary relationship.

They give him the calls, he becomes a star. Wade scores 85% of his points off of layup/dunks and paint. He has no jumpshot and the NBA decides to boost his PPG/stats/efficency by giving him excessive FTs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lobstering (talk • contribs)

Wow now you're really grasping for straws. Unless you have evidence Wade is paying off refs it's criticism of the NBA. Quadzilla99 23:42, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Did you just say that Wade has no jumpshot? Somebody needs to wake up. Sacor1192 01:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name.

You spelled his name wrong. Its Dwayne Wade.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.22.40 (talk)

It's Dwyane Wade, NBA.com: Dwyane Wade. Read the article:
Despite the unorthodox spelling, Wade's first name is pronounced as Dwayne; often in print media, it is misspelled as such Zodiiak 19:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Additions.

When will regular editting be allow to this page? I have waiting for a few days to add information to this page. Is there any particular reason this page cannot be editted? Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.110.62.3 (talk) 19:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

It was protected because of vandalism, you can suggest changes here or start an account, after which you'll have to wait four days to be able to edit the page. Quadzilla99 19:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I would like to add a different perspective like the guy with the controversy above me. It seems that there was some discourse between someone and he and I would just to add my "two cents," if it is not a problem. Everything is cited with appropriate references like interviews, and online news, not any blogs. This is not a personal attack, but I do think he flops exceedingly. Other players and several sports writers have noted as much on my references. So I will look forward to making my edits. Thank You

Kind of interesting the closeness in the IPs between you and this guy: User:75.110.81.47 Isn't it? Quadzilla99 19:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Who?

You've been tagged as a sockpuppet. I'm in the process of reporting you. Quadzilla99 20:00, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I ask a question and I am what? I am being reported for what? Apparently you have me confused with someone else. I cannot help what my I.P. address is and I hope you realize I am on a campus network so the I.P. addresses are going to be similar with everyone. WOW you are a smart one.

How gullible do you think I am? A 75.110.xxx creates several socks and causes semi-protection for this page and then another 75.110.xxx comes over and with his first edits suggests adding negative info to the Wade bio. Please. Quadzilla99 20:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

There are 25000 people enrolled on this campus. And I am pretty confident in saying that I am not the only one with a computer and use the campus-wide wireless internet. So I am going to be held responsible for what some other guy/girl said...and let me get this right...because we have "similar I.P. addresses (not the same) and would like to make edits to D-Wade's page. Obviously you know very little about statistics and networks. WOW I couldn't fool a "genius" like you.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.110.62.3 (talk)

LOL this guy again. I like how he at least tried the 'soft spoken' approach. Come on man, I'm not even going to point out all the reasons why this is beyond obvious. But anyways, we should at least thank you, since it was you that allowed us to obtain protection for this page. Give it a rest. Zodiiak 03:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User RfC related to this article

See Wikipedia:Requests for comment/TyrusThomas4lyf. Quadzilla99 11:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

You smart wikipedia guys need to revise your policy before completely blocking entire i.p. addresses. This user must have been one of my roommates that vehemently dislikes Wade's (in his words), "preferential treatment." However, due to his incessant and completely reckless behavior my old computer and two of my roommate's computers have been blocked. When I wanted to make a post on a hip hop artist, I see there is a post saying that the i.p. address has been blocked and will be reinacted May 30th. I go to it after waiting for close to a month and the next thing I see is some peron named Pilotguy has upped the time till November. I protest this action and explain my case and some person tells me the story cannot be verified. Fair enough, however, my old laptop and my other two roommates have lost all editting privileges due to one person's behavior. Please offer some clarification.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.110.28.235 (talk • contribs)

It sounds like you have a pretty fair grasp of the situation. --Maxamegalon2000 18:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Sign up for an account? Chensiyuan 18:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure why this is under this topic heading. TayquanhollaMy work 17:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Flash" not from Queen Song

In the article, it states that Dwyane Wade's nickname is a reference to the Queen song "Flash Gordon". I'm pretty sure this is incorrect.

For one, Shaquille O'Neal has sometimes been referred to as "Superman" (I believe Shaq even has a Superman tattoo). Back in Shaq's Lakers days, he and Kobe were said to be like Superman and Batman, respectively. As a result, when Shaq came to Miami, he referred to Dwyane Wade as "Flash" since The Flash is the name of DC Comics superhero.

Secondly, the article linked to as the "source" for the comment in the wiki page just mentions how the blogger liked that Queen song and doesn't say that that's what Dwyane Wade's nickname refers to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.71.133.134 (talk) 18:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where is he really from?

I saw an aid saying he was from Robbins, IL. I thoght he was from Chicago. I'm so confused...§RS3 (talk) 14:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)SpiderGuy

Born in Chicago, raised in Robbins. Zodiiak (talk) 02:33, 24 November 2007 (UTC)