Talk:Dutch resistance

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Dutch resistance article.
Please sign and date your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~). Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Ask questions, get answers. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject.	Be polite Assume good faith No personal attacks Be welcoming	Article policies No original research Neutral point of view Verifiability

	This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see lists of open tasks and regional and topical task forces. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.
Start	This article has been rated as Start-Class on the quality scale.
Additional information and associated task forces: This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-Class status: Referencing and citation: not checked Coverage and accuracy: not checked Structure: not checked Grammar: not checked Supporting materials: not checked To fill out this checklist, please add the following to the template call: <!-- B-Class-1. It is suitably referenced, and all major points have appropriate inline citations. --> |B-Class-1=yes/no <!-- B-Class-2. It reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies. --> |B-Class-2=yes/no <!-- B-Class-3. It has a defined structure, including a lead section and one or more sections of content. --> |B-Class-3=yes/no <!-- B-Class-4. It is free from major grammatical errors. --> |B-Class-4=yes/no <!-- B-Class-5. It contains appropriate supporting materials, such as an infobox, images, or diagrams. --> |B-Class-5=yes/no Associated task forces (nations and regions): Dutch military history task force Associated task forces (periods and conflicts): World War II task force

	This article falls within the scope of WikiProject Netherlands, an attempt to create, expand, and improve articles related to the Netherlands on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, visit the project page where you can join the project or contribute to the discussion.
Start	This article has been rated as start-Class on the quality scale.

Contents 1 Fact template 2 English game 3 Translation of 'onderduikers' 4 Pro Dutch pov? 5 Dutch Communist Resistance

[edit] Fact template

I've added ^{[citation needed]} to the sentence "most of the initial resistance came from Social Democrats, Catholics and Communists", because my (Dutch) history teacher taught me that the initial resistance came from communists and protestants, social democrats and catholics coming into resistance only much later. I unfortunately have no written source to back this. Qwertyus 15:08, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Minor edit made, "Discovery by the Germans of involvement in the resistance often meant an immediate death sentence." Added "often", as it did not always result in death. There were many arrested resistance men and women who survived the war, though quite often they were killed or sent to concentration camps. The book "To Save a Life" by Ellen Land-Weber (ISBN 0-252-02515-6) sourced. 24.137.105.8 17:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] English game

Other articles refer to the "English Game", whereby the German intelligence penetrated and compromised Dutch Resistance. Any info? Folks at 137 08:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

You are referring to the [Englandspiel] in which the germans used a captured agent to request additional agents and supplies, it wasn't so much a infiltration in the 'dutch' resistance as an infiltration into an SOE (British) operation Remko2 (talk) 22:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Translation of 'onderduikers'

The word 'onderduikers' has been literally translated to 'under-divers' and then in the organisation section not translated at all. I have changed all 3 to "people in hiding". (I'm a Dutch speaker so I can confirm that's the best translation possible - there's no single English word to describe onderduikers) Oplossing is duidelijk 20:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pro Dutch pov?

Modern critics seriously doubt the efficacy of the dutch resistance, as well as its support in the general population. I think the article as it is now is fairly positive;and I would be very careful to take on the criticism on the Dutch when further developing this article. Arnoutf (talk) 19:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Can you be specific? Some modern critics names or documentation concerning the matter? 99.240.198.86 (talk) 20:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dutch Communist Resistance

The article states that the communist resistance is not mentioned, this is entirely correct, as the RVV (Raad van verzet) was comprised for a large part of Communists i.e. Hannie Schaft, Jan Bonekamp, Truus en Freddie Oversteegen. Remko2 (talk) 22:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC)