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[edit] Slang

My slang dictionary gives the following: (1920s) the mouth; (1920s) the smell of a bed in which someone has just farted; (1980s+ australia) an enclosed area/room filled with cannabis smoke.

I've never heard the fart usage in the UK, but that doesn't mean that it isn't used. Secretlondon 21:19, Oct 9, 2003 (UTC)

I imagine no one above the age of puberty hears it much, anywhere<G>. It's probably not limited to America, if your slang dictionary specifies regions and fails to do so here. So it is as I thought<G>! -- Someone else 21:25, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Dutch oven is a good wedding night prank too. I removed the ideal gas law comment. The inside of the body remains remarkably consistent in temperature, such that a hot blanket would not be able to be hot enough to cause a notable temperature change in the GI tract. It might for work for other reasons, so I left the surrounding comment. This page could use a disambiguation and a little cleanup. If I had time I'd do it. Superclear 19:17, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

I know the dutch oven as when you're laying in bed, and fart under the blanket. Then pull the blanket over your head and possibly anyone who is in bed with you to catch the stench in all it's force.

I noticed the joke reference was removed. It is a well known joke in the US at least. However, the part about the ideal gas law is not true (see above) so that did deserve removal.Superclear 15:39, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

The deletion of the farting under the covers definition of this word is part of a disturbing trend on wikipedia to try to ignore the fact that funny coloquial sayings or terms are indeed information, and have as much of a place on wikipedia as other obscure subject matters. User: DSturges 12:33, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Fully agree it's really unacceptable not to allow the farting reference. This use of the word is related to the original dutch oven, as the smell that comes out of the oven would be very bad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ovadeg (talk • contribs) 13:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

The fart definition is now on the disambiguation page. Note the date on the comment you were responding to. FiveRings (talk) 18:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

My god this wikipedia is lame. I put in a very nice line on the dutch oven. But somebody changed it to something written by a 80 year old. And they removed my line about the dutch oven also known as smoking weed in a car with friends with the windows up. They removed it because it couldnt be verified. I am from Holland we did it all the time. It's culture. How much prove do you need. We call it a dutch oven. But I guess no room for some nice trivia on wikipedia england.Eurocanna

Wikipedia isn't a dictionary. Take your farting jokes to wiktionary. That's where etymology goes Maustrauser 06:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Lame. It was trivia about a dutch oven. Whatever. User:Eurocanna

All of the slang definitions are at wikt:Dutch oven.--Srleffler 01:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Right. This article is specifically about the cooking item. Note that each Wikipedia article is not meant to be an all-encompassing disambiguation page. Wikipedia articles are not the same as dictionary articles (see the policy). --Anonyhole (talk) 23:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for disabiguity

OK, come one. I know what a "dutch oven" is, but can we be a little mature and move that defintion to another article, please? --Bushido Hacks 18:12, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cooking usage

About the other meaning of the term: I came here ooking for info on "Dutch oven", but really, it's not clear what, exactly, makes that modern enameled dutch oven different from any iron pot? I understand the original term (a pot more or less buried in the coals), but the modern usage seems different and is just an alternate name for a stew pot?

Wether there really is a real difference today or not, I think it may be a good idea to clarify it in the article.

I'm stumped too. I've never heard a casserole confused with a Dutch oven, and I assume that is a regional term in some different region. -Will Beback 05:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I believe it's the thicker walls, tight-fitting lid, and cast iron construction (even if enamelled). While a casserole might look similar, they tend to be made of porcelean and not have lids (or lids that nearly seal). Using one or the other can make an incredible difference when you cook. The enamel just makes cleaning easier - you don't have to worry about special cooking and cleaning methods to keep the cure. Jordanmills 16:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dutch?

What connection, if any, is there between Dutch ovens and the Netherlands? That is, why are they called Dutch ovens? --Rob Kennedy 04:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was Move. —Wknight94 (talk) 20:06, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Dutch oven (cookware) → Dutch oven – revert previous move that did not have consensus. Srleffler 01:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

  • Support--Srleffler 01:20, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Support for reasons given previously --Rob Kennedy 01:09, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Support (obviously) FiveRings 01:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

I don't think this parenthetical page was necessary. The page was just fine at Dutch oven. At most, it could have had an {{otheruses}} template at the top of the page. But a disambiguation page is only useful if there are other pages about topics with the same name. Are there articles about Union College's newspaper, or rooms full of smoke? --Rob Kennedy 01:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Another editor removed the "other uses" section, and rather than put it back I created the disambiguation. There will no doubt eventually be other pages (if you build it, they will come). FiveRings 04:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

An "other uses" section would be inappropriate, because Wikipedia articles are about things not words. This article is about the cookware. Other uses of the phrase Dutch oven don't belong here. If they are suitable for Wikipedia, they need to either have their own article or be in an article where they fit topically. Note, though, that Wikipedia is not a dictionary. If there isn't much to say about a usage other than to give its definition, it does not belong here at all (not even on a disambig page), but rather belongs on Wiktionary.--Srleffler 01:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

That other editor was me. My main objection is not to the disambiguation page — I would have created it myself if I thought any of the other topics were worth it. Rather, my objection is with Dutch oven being a redirect to the disambiguation page rather than remaining as the main title of the article about cooking pots. Of all the other pages that link to Dutch oven, just one uses it in the "fart" meaning and one uses it in the as yet unmentioned "bisexual" meaning. That means all those links need to be fixed to go to the non-disambiguation page. (One links to Dutch oven furnace, which means it's now a double redirect.) When a term is overwhelmingly applied to one meaning over all other meanings, that primary meaning should be in the article with the unadorned title — there was really no need to create Dutch oven (cookware). Now, when people come to WP looking for information on Dutch ovens, they'll need to take a detour through the disambiguation page instead of going to the cooking article they were probably looking for. (If it's not what some of them were looking for, then that's what {{otheruses}} is for.) --Rob Kennedy 05:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

If you want to change it to be an "otheruses" link, that's fine. My concern was that the other information was not lost. FiveRings 17:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, I changed Dutch oven to redirect back to the cookware page, and added a link (hand coded for the moment) on the cookware page to point to the disambiguation page. Wikipedia won't let me just move the page back because the dutch oven page already exists. Sorry. Suggestions? FiveRings

A move request has been placed. Add your support on the survey above. If there is strong consensus, the move may happen quickly, otherwise it will happen (or not) in about five days.--Srleffler 01:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Boy scout version

Hi, if the dutch oven is official equipment of the Boy Scouts of America, shouldn't it link to a Boy Scouts site instead of the manufacturers? Also, according to WP:PSTS, shouldn't we be avoiding primary/secondary sources? --Kjoonlee 08:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Qozon

For some reason, Qozon redirects here. A Qozon is not the same as a Dutch Oven. They have completely different histories. YuliEuphemism (talk) 01:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)