Talk:Duel of the Fates
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As much as I love the song, certainly hosting a (decently) high quality ogg of the whole song must be a violation of copyright and Wikipedia policy. TheDapperDan 21:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- Not if it's restricted to a certain fraction of the playtime. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 02:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- I changed it back to the 30 sample that was here before. Hosting whole song is definately looking for a law suit. Tertiary7 06:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I was curious, most people arn't aware that there are actually quite a few recorded variations of the Duel of the Fates. I was going to edit the article to include my information but I figure it would get deleted so I've decided simply to state it here.
Currently there are these known recordings of Duel of the Fates for the Episode I film, as written by John Williams and Performed by the LSO:
- Film Version (Unused)
- Film Version Alternate (Usued)
- Film Version Alternate 2 (Unused)
- The Great Duel (Unused)
- Album
- Choirless
The proof I have of these are the recordings themselvs.
The Film Version (Unused) was also meant to be used in a different End Credits Suite which was unused. The primary difference is orchestrations and percussion are very different.
The Used film version can be heard on the UE. We know its different becuase if you listen, the horns play a different line under the choir.
The Film Version alternate 2 is another one that has vastly different orchestratsion. It's very much like the version used in Episode II but is not the same recording.
The Great Duel is a use of the DOTF theme and material and is worthy of mention. It is unused in the film, but can be heard in the DVD Featuretts.
The Album version is a known recording.
The Choirless version is known because there has been material comming from video games that is DOTF without choir. They usually record these things seperately.
I find listing the SW video game theme examples to be innapropriate and non-signifigant. Perhaps they should be seperated into a new paragraph, to distinguish them as being seperate REuses in non-canon.
Since no complete recording schedule is known, the proof I have lay in the recordings that can be heard in varying video games Released by Lucas Art around the time of Episode I and prior to Episode II. The only way these recordings could have possibly been made is if John Williams recorded them.
We also know from interviews and information from the composers and arrangers who worked on the games that they had access to the original masters--which explains why so many alternate and unused cues can be heard in the video games.
I just wanted to put this out there becuase it's a little known fact that I beileve is worth mentioning.
Also, Episode II uses a new recording but tracked Episode I material to end it. Episode III uses the Choirless version recorded in the Episode I recording sessions but they recorded a new vocals Slate number 6m5 (If you listen, the vocals are distinctively different).--70.119.237.64 09:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Deletion
I deleted the material that claimed to provide a "translation" of a phrase of the lyrics, because it made no sense as Sanskrit (or any other language I know). The lyrics appear to have been considerably distorted in the process of composition; the only word that is really recognizable is yoodhah (= yuddha) "fight". RandomCritic 01:21, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Similarity to Richard Wagner's Excalibur (O Fortuna)
This song is strikingly similar to Richard Wagner's Excalibur theme, O Fortuna. Star Wars is essentially about a group of space Fascists who plot and succeed in gaining power by overthrowing the established Republic. I find it very interesting the Star Wars movies have so many Nazi-like themes and the music is so similar in rhythm to many of Wagner's works. Hitler himself once stated "In order to understand the Nazi Party, you must understand Wagner." Coincidence? --Nazrac 07:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think this is definitely a coincidence. There are a number of songs that you could establish as being similar to O Fortuna, for example O Verona or One Winged Angel. I think these all fall into a certain kind of "Epic" song genera. As for Star Wars being essentially about Fascists gaining power... I am sorry, but what has the Empire done to make it seem fascist as opposed to, say, another form of dictatorship? Jaimeastorga2000 21:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
- By the power of Godwin's Law, you lose! --148.240.253.118 16:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- Also by the power of the fact that "O Fortuna" is not by Wagner. It's by Carl Orff, from Carmina Burana. Lbark 17:30, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Evil Sith"
what happened to wikipedia's neutral point of view?
Does anyone else feel like this piece rips off the third movement to Dvorak's ninth symphony? 64.13.19.138 (talk) 08:38, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
