Talk:Duchess of Cornwall

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"The Duchess of Cornwall" is not a courtesy title. A peeress in right of her husband is as much a substantive peeress as a peeress suo jure. Donald Renouf, 02.52 11th Feb. '05 (GMT)

To quote from Courtesy title:

A peer's wife takes her courtesy title based on her husband's rank, unless she herself has a higher title. Thus a baron's wife is called "baroness", an earl's wife is called a "countess", a duke's wife a "duchess", etc. Despite being referred to as a "peeress", she does not, however, become a peer "in her own right": these are 'styles', not substantive titles.

James F. (talk) 12:14, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The problem is that there are two conflicting usages of "courtesy title". The title of a peeress is not "substantive" in the way her husband's is (since she only has a title by virtue of being married to him and not in her own right), but neither is it the same as what is usually meant by "courtesy title" - i.e. a title that exists only by custom, and has no real legal basis. The holder of a courtesy peerage, for instance, is "Henry Miles Fitzalan-Howard, Esquire, commonly called Earl of Arundel and Surrey", whereas a peeress is "The Most Noble Georgina Susan, Duchess of Norfolk". Clearly using one term for both these titles is silly. And "courtesy title" implies that such a title only exists by courtesy, which isn't the case for a peeress, whose title is legally hers (and cannot be removed, cf Cowley (Earl) vs Cowley (Countess)). Thus the two-way distinction commonly used between "substantive" and "courtesy" titles is at the very least misleading, and probably completely inaccurate. It would be much simpler and more accurate to say "The title Duchess of Cornwall is held by the wife of the Duke of Cornwall." Proteus (Talk) 12:47, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 from VfD 2 Queen Camilla 3 Heiress Presumptive usage? 4 Dukedom category 5 Fair use rationale for Image:Cam2.jpg

[edit] from VfD

On 10 Feb 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Duchess of Cornwall for a record of the discussion.

[edit] Queen Camilla

I know that the statement read something like once Charles becomes King that "it is intended" Camilla will be known as the Princess Consort. But didn't a recent statement from the Government say that they would recgnozie Camilla as Queen?

As I understand it, the statement said that there was no legal impediment to her being queen. In other words, she will be queen unless legislation is enacted to prevent it, but whether she uses this title is a different matter. See her article, Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall for more. Thryduulf 17:28, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Heiress Presumptive usage?

Would an heiress presumptive also be given the title, Duchess of Cornwall? Did QE2 have it before she became queen? She would not have been created Princess of Wales, just in case the king fathered a son before he died.

No, no, and indeed.

James F. (talk) 21:17, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Queen was known as HRH The Princess Elizabeth, Duchess of Edinburgh but her Duchess title was by marriage only Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay are semi-hereditary titles and are automatically given to the eldest son of the sovereign (if there is one), whereas Prince of Wales is created and is not automatic. Both can only be held by the eldest son, NOT daughter (thats Princess Royal).

[edit] Dukedom category

I've removed this article from Category:Dukedoms because I find that usage inaccurate. There never has and probably never can be a Duchess of Cornwall in her own right, thus only the male-gender form (Duke of Cornwall) belongs in the category. That's how I see it, at any rate, although someone please correct me if I'm putting a foot wrong here. --Mackensen (talk) 15:18, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Cam2.jpg

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BetacommandBot 04:27, 27 October 2007 (UTC)