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[edit] Will the Boat Sink the Water?

Note: this was originally posted at Wikipedia talk:Questions. It seems worth reposting here. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 22:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

My apologies for not logging in; I'm in a bit of a rush and registered a long time ago, so I've forgotten my information.

I can find no page on Wikipedia referring to the best selling book "Will the Boat Sink the Water?" by Chen Guidi and Wu Chuntao. Nor can I find any reference to Chen Guidi and Wu Chuntao. This is an important book that has sold millions of copies and whose authors have won a slew of awards. When I have more time I'll start a page myself if nobody else will but I find it very difficult to believe that nobody else has done so. I suspect that the long arm of the PRC got any pages about this snuffed. Any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.159.69.222 (talk) 18:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I see nothing in the deletion logs for pages with those titles: [1]. So I guess it's just that nobody's written them yet! I'm not familiar with the book myself, but if you believe it deserves a Wikipedia article, I encourage you to be bold and start one! ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 02:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dick Tiger Chambers

Dick Tiger Chambers are a chambers that is a law institution that is named for the boxer, Dick Tiger. It is located in Aba, Nigeria and has Richard Ihetu JR. as one of its lawyers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesmartest (talk • contribs) 21:36, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I think that this should be known that the law fim should be reconigzied so that the firm could get its beginnings and its workers known. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesmartest (talk • contribs) 21:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Can you find any publications that talk about it? Newspaper articles, or anything else? You need to show that there are publications about it in order to establish notability. ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 16:10, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shokus Video

I'd like to know whether Shokus Video deserves an article. Some reasons it could be considered notable are: It was founded in 1979 and is still going; It's one of the few companies that still sell pre-recorded VHS tapes; It is mentioned on other websites, such CLG Wiki, along woth usenet posts from the 90's. Any thoughts? Retro Agnostic (talk) 23:58, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi. :) To meet the notability guidelines on companies, you'd need to demonstrate that Shokus Video has received significant or widespread coverage in secondary sources that are reliable and independent of the store (excluding information solely available on the store website, for instance—these sources may be used for additional information after notability has been established by secondary sources). Usenet posts and other wikis, I'm afraid, wouldn't qualify. Has it been profiled in newspapers or magazines? Directory-style listing, noting opening hours or such like that, wouldn't be helpful; more in-depth coverage is what would be needed here. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Allied Business Group, Inc

A page for Allied Business Group, Inc was recently deleted. Since the page has already been deleted and I am not the original writer, it would be easier just to create another page. I would like your feedback. Thanks!

Allied Business Group is a Midwest mergers and acquisitions and business valuations firm based in Leawood, Kansas. The firm is one of the only mid-market mergers and acquisitions firms in the Kansas City area accredited by the International Business Broker's Association in business brokerage and the Institute of Business Appraisers in business valuations.

The business broker division of the firm assists mid-market companies on valuing, preparing, marketing and negotiating transactions with buyers. The firm's business appraisal and litigation support division provides limited and comprehensive valuation reports and expert witness services.

Allied Business Group was founded in 2002 by Tim Skarda, president. His wife, Kelly Skarda, later joined the firm as Valuations Director (1).

Past Clients: Some past clients recently mentioned in local media include: Palmer Electric in the Kansas City Business Journal (4) Sunflower Cement in the Kansas City Business Journal (5) Douglas Products in Kansas City Star (6)

References:

1. Kansas City Star (newspaper) 2. Kansas City Business Journal (news magazine) 3. Kansas City Business Journal (news magazine) 4. Kansas City Star (newspaper)

External Links:

Allied Business Group Institute of Business Brokers Institute of Business Appraisers

Alphabetsoup2go (talk) 15:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks pretty good. The previous one was deleted with the reason given "(Speedy deleted per (CSD A7), was an article about a company or corporation that didn't assert the importance or significance of its subject.)" in the deletion log. Here, I'm not sure that you have enough in terms of asserting the importance. You have "The firm is one of the only mid-market mergers and acquisitions firms in the Kansas City area accredited by the ..." Well, "one of the only" implies that there are others, so it's not clear how many others there are or how important this one is. It would probably be a good idea to say more about the importance, for example "the largest of only three" (if true) would come across better, in my opinion, than "one of the only".
I assume for the references you would type in the exact information, e.g. date, page number etc. There don't have to be online copies, but if you do find online copies of the articles on the newspapers' websites, a link to them is convenient for the reader, too.
Perhaps you have enough sources to establish notability, especially if the articles are mainly about that company rather than just mentioning it briefly. See Wikipedia:Wikify and Help:Editing for help with formatting. For the first version you can just create it as above, and you or someone else can format it properly afterwards. Normally I would offer to help but may be pretty busy until May 20.☺ Coppertwig (talk) 16:05, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yon Garfias

Yon Garfias
Birth name Yonathan Garfias
Born May 1, 1990 (1990-05-01) (age 18)
Origin Estado de México, México
Genre(s) Alternative rock, Post-punk, Hardcore punk
Occupation(s) Bassist
Instrument(s) Bass
Years active 2003 — Present
Label(s) Geffen Records
Associated acts Silverchair, The Veronicas, Overflow-Crowds

'Yonathan Garfias' (May 1, 1990) bassist, songwriter mexican currently bassist of the australian band Australian rock Silverchair since the album Diorama.

[edit] Biography

Also is member of the new-bandOverflow Crowdsnext to his ex-girlfriend Lisa Origliasso friends Atom Willard , David Kennedy , John Blake and [ [Richard Ashcroft]].

[edit] Personal Life

He dated with the singer The Veronicas Lisa Origliasso * [2] with ending May 3, 2008 for personal reasons , currently plays with her new-banda Overflow Crowds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.25.88 (talk • contribs) 22:07, 14 May 2008

Hi and sorry for the delayed reply. You may be looking for Articles for creation, but I can offer some advice that will make it more likely that your request will be fulfilled. First off you'll have to verify that Mr. Garfias fits the notability criteria by including citations to reliable sources that are published by third parties. You'll have to explicitly state how he is notable in the article itself and verify the statement by including the citations in your article- the best way to do this is to use footnotes and to properly format them using one of the citation templates. Instead of going to Articles for creation, you could also register for an account| and be able to create the article yourself, however the same things I said about citing reliable sources still applies or the article may wind up being deleted. Hope this helps you some, feel free to ask any more questions you may have. Happy editing! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 17:51, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Charles Sturt University Students' Association

I've seen a few references to CSU Students' Association and the Student Union movement at CSU, but no one has written an article as yet. Writing a properly cited article may be challenging as much of the information that covers the Association is now held in documents internal to CSU. As president of the Student Senate (The body which has replaced the CSUSA governing board, post-VSU) I have access to many of the documents, however I would be an obviously biased source of information. Is there any way a balanced document could be submitted? Who should write such a document? Members of the former Students' Association in co-operation with officers of the University?

It is worth noting that the Charles Sturt University Students' Association (CSUSA) no longer exists as a legal entity. It was dissolved in 2007 based on a Memorandum of Understanding between the CSUSA and the Charles Sturt University. A new representative body consisting of campus SRCs (Orange SRC, Dubbo SRC, Mitchell Students' Guild, Rivcoll SRC & Murray Campus Council) and the Student Senate has been formed. The Rule of Governance for Student Representation at CSU commenced on 17 April 2007.

--Totdave (talk) 15:11, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for the query. :) In my general observation of deletion debates, student unions are generally found to be notable within the context of the university (see this, this & this, just as a few examples). If the university article is too long to include enough detail about the student union, a division may be warranted. Otherwise, it may be more appropriate to keep it as a subsection of CSU. Unless length is a particular concern at CSU, a separate article is likely to be held to strict standards of sourcing unrelated to the university or the union to demonstrate stand-alone notability, and you indicate finding those kinds of sources might be a problem.
In terms of who may include such information, people with connection to CSUSA are not forbidden from adding information about CSUSA, either to the parent article or as a stand-alone, but they are strongly discouraged. There are a couple of ways around this. The easiest, for information that would be added to the CSU article, is to write the material and place it in a section on the article's talk page. If the article's talk page doesn't show signs of activity, evaluation & assistance implementing the material can be requested at the talk page of a related Wikiproject, like Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia or Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities. The person who places the material on the CSU talk page can also choose to place {{request edit}} next to the proposed material, with an explanation that because of a conflict s/he needs assistance placing it in the article. A neutral responder should evaluate the material and agree or decline. Personally, I would start with the WikiProject, where responders are likely to be somewhat familiar with the context.
In terms of creating a new article, an unregistered user could write an article that is neutral and sourced and place it for evaluation at "articles for creation", where neutral volunteers will evaluate it and create the article if appropriate. This is only an option for unregistered users. Anyone can request an article at "requested articles", but there is quite a backlog there, and a request may or may not be granted quickly. If I wanted to propose an article on which I had a conflict and felt that I could write the article without the typical COI problems, I would probably put it in a sub user page, or sandbox, and then request evaluation at one of those three pages: CSU, WikiProject Australia or WikiProject Universities. If editors agree that the tone is appropriate, they may be asked to move the subpage into article space. If I went that route, I would be sure after the article was created in article space to note my connection and how the article had come to be created on the article's talk page.
My reply feels very complicated, and I hope you'll let me know if it's unclear. :) Since I'd rather overexplain than under and you seem to be new, I'll note that all of the colored text represent wikilinks to other documents or pages. I'll also note that general assistance understanding or implementing any of this is available at the help desk (typically manned around the clock 24 hours a day by volunteers). You are also more than welcome to follow up on any of it here with me or at my talk page.
Good luck, and happy editing. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)