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[edit] Crazy Steve

In the article for crazy steve, it says that he was fat as a child. The author of this information says this just because he got mad at his father. Technically, it does not mean he was fat as a child. It just means that he was sent to fat camp. Anyone agree?

[edit] The Beginning of the article

I feel the beginning of the article provides to much information on the cast and not enough information on the actual show. This should be replaced with a brief summary of the series and possibly other more relevant information. Eatspie (talk) 04:05, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Irrelavent Information

It is mentioned early on in the article that both Drake Bell and Josh Peck had played recuring roles on The Amanda Show. Is this information really necessary? The information serves little purpose other than to provide a back story to the comedy duo, keep in mind this article is about Drake & Josh the show, not the actors. Kenneth Hardeman (talk) 11:39, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Garbage

Anonymous IPs have been dumping massive amounts of garbage onto this article. A few have tried to clean up, but there is still major problems going on here. Can somebody please do a MASSIVE cleanup of this article? Luigi6138 16:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


Okay.. But, I seriously think we should have separate articles for our characters! Hannah Montana does! Megan :)


[edit] Excessive trivia?

It seems that this article has too much trivia. Even the "cultural references" section sounds trivia-ish. Does anyone agree with me that this article has too much trivia? Luigi6138 21:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I do, and I advocate it's removal as unreferenced trivia. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 08:54, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I blanked the entire "Cultural references" section. I actually think that, in general, Wikipedia would be wise to lighten up a little bit on WP:TRIVIA, as I think for certain topics a very brief trivia section is relevant and adds value to the encyclopedia -- but the "Cultural references" section in this article wasn't even trivia; it was just a list of random sight gags from the show. I don't mind a brief section talking about other elements of pop culture referencing the subject of a particular article, but it's ludicrous to have a section listing all the times the article's subject made reference to pop culture! --Jaysweet 14:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Obviously, no one bothered to look at your comment because over the past few months, a new "trivia" section was created that just as trashy as the one that Jaysweet blanked previously. I've tried my best to remove most of the irrelevant and I tried to incorporate the remaining trivia into the article itself, as noted in WP:TRIVIA. Here's what I did to the trivia that existed as of May 19:

  • Throughout the seasons, as the camera moves around the outside of the Premiere Theater, another shop in the complex called Schneider's Bakery can be seen. Scheider's Bakery is actually a production company owned by Dan Schneider, the creator of Drake & Josh, Zoey 101, and iCarly. The production company is also the main production company that produces these three shows. - moved to the section on Premiere Theater
  • On Drake and Josh: Really Big Shrimp, movie titles on the top board on the Premiere show movie titles like "Thank You Molaro!" Steve Molaro is also on the production company. "Four Great Seasons!" meant that Drake and Josh had four great seasons of episodes, and that Season 4 would be the final season. "Lil Lisa 22" is referring to Michael Barret's girlfriend Lisa Burkens on Zoey 101. He commonly calls her "Lil Lisa" for short. 22 is unknown. This also may be a reference to creator Dan Schnieder's wife, Lisa Lillien. "February Fourth" most likely was the day that production of Drake and Josh started. The Article for the Episodes of Drake and Josh explains that Drake and Josh started production in early 2002, which probably means January, February, and March. "Robin and Joe" refers to 2 other producers and member of the "Schneider's Bakery" production team, Robin Weiner and Joe Catania. "Now She's Carly" is probably the most obvious one. This refers to Drake & Josh star Miranda Cosgrove stars in her own show now, iCarly, as the lead role, Carly Shay. - moved to the section on Premiere Theater, despite my overwhelming urge to delete completely
  • The layouts for the settings are incorrect. As the camera zooms in on the exterior of the house, the windows on the house where the kitchen set is located are too large, and the bedroom window on the outside is seen and there is a lamp shown in the window. No lamp is shown by the window of Drake and Josh's room. Also, when the camera zooms in on the exterior of the house you see an open porch. However, when they show people on the porch there is a white railing in front of the door. - moved to the section on Drake & Josh's house, despite my overwhelming urge to delete completely
  • In the episode "I Love Sushi" the factory is called "Ball and Vance". Lucille Ball and Vivian Vance played Lucy and Ethel in I Love Lucy, which the title of the episode parodies. Also, in another Drake and Josh episode, Josh says to Drake, "Sorry Lucy, Ethel ain't playing." which is also another reference to I Love Lucy. - moved to new, cleaner cultural references section.
  • In the earlier seasons of Drake & Josh, in their room, the door is facing the camera, whereas in the newer seasons, their door was mysteriously moved to the right. - deleted
  • In the episode "Theater Thug," Josh wears a hippie costume and refers to himself as Antoine. This is a reference to Kenan Thompson's popular character on All That. - moved to new, cleaner cultural references section
  • "Drake & Josh" is perhaps the first Nickelodeon to show a character getting attacked on-screen where an earlier episode with Josh getting punched by a bully for wooing on a girl in school. It is also one of the few episodes that is filmed on location for certain scenes. - deleted; it's unreferenced and hardly notable
  • Two episodes have featured magicians: Blaine Darby, whose name was a parody of David Blaine, and Doheny which is the name Houdini in reverse. - moved to new, cleaner cultural references section
  • Earlier in the show, when drake goes to Mrs. Haffer's house to see his girlfriend, they open the door and show a red foyer. However, in the episode Vicious Tiberius, Drake and Josh take care of Mrs. Haffer's house and there is no foyer, the house's windows are placed differently, etc. - deleted
  • When the front of the Premiere is shown in many of the episodes there are names of movies that spoof real life movies such as "She's The Dude" (She's the Man) "Just My Truck" (Just My Luck) and "There's Something About Gary" (There's Something About Mary). - moved to section on the Premiere Theater
  • There are also references to other products, such as the 'Gamesphere' which is a parody of the Nintendo Gamecube, the Pingtendo GS which is a parody of the Nintendo DS, Dr Fizz parodying Dr Pepper and Moca Cola parodying Coca Cola. - moved to new, cleaner cultural references section
  • In the episode Drew and Jerry, Drake asks for some Mountain Fizz but Josh's dad says that Drew got the last of it. But, when Josh goes to get the rolls out of the oven there is a full bottle of Mountain Fizz right on the counter. - deleted
  • On the episode "The Demonator" the parks name is Mystic Mountain a spoof on "Six Flags Magic Mountain" - moved to new, cleaner cultural references section
  • A few times throughout the series the viewer can notice Drake wearing an "El Toro" shirt. - moved to new, cleaner cultural references section, despite overwhelming urge to delete
  • In the episode when Drake and Josh are making salsa, when the bomb "Megan Parker" (Miranda Cosgrove) put in the salsa, she and her parents are watching the first episode of Zoey 101 - moved to new, cleaner cultural references section
  • At the end of "Really Big Shrimp" Drake and Josh fight over a piece of shrimp. On one of their first episodes together on "The Amanda Show" they fought over a piece of shrimp. There is a reference to this at the end of the movie. - deleted, as it is already included on the Really Big Shrimp article
  • The Central Florida based Deathcore band Dr. Ake and Josh derives their name from the show. - deleted; article for the band does not even exist

Please feel free to delete or revert any of the changes I've made, as I did this editing and purging unilaterally. Thanks, 青い(Aoi) (talk) 06:46, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Archive

Archive 1

The old page was getting too long. Orracle107 03:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] There should be an article about each character.

There should be an article about each character. For example Crazy Steve and Helen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.231.161.18 (talk) 20:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

No, they're not notable enough. The article would be deleted in the matter of a week. See Wikipedia:Notability — JuWiki (Talk <> Resources) 01:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Series ended

The series did not end there is a 61st episode of season 4 and a season 5. The guy who wrote it ended is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mman1771 (talk • contribs) 22:22, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

—y —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.66.176 (talk) 23:50, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how many times I have to say this, but according to Drake Bell's official biography, if you scroll down, it clearly says "The series just completed its fourth, and final, season on the air, leaving room for Drake to pursue his musical career." I don't know why nobody trusts this, since it's from Drake Bell himself.SonicX000000 01:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

In a recent press conference with Nickolodean it said that Drake and Josh will have a fifth and sixth season until it ends. And on a series of television web sites it explains that there will be newer episodes coming this fall.

Yeah... only one new "EPISODE" was annouced as the back to school thing for Teen Nick. The episode was "The Dance Contest". Show proof that there's another 3 episodes plus a new season. Put up a link that brings me to the website where they have a copy of the press conference. I totally agree with SonicX000000.Koolboy24 2007 00:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "The Girl who Nobody Knows"

First off, this girl did appear again in "The Dance Contest". Second, does she really need to be mentioned at all.SonicX000000 20:29, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 3 more episodes????

I don't think there are any more new episodes...some people have said it has been confirmed that there are though...SO.....where has this been confirmed??? Can you give me a link or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.207.255.246 (talk) 15:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Please see [1]. Here's a quote from the article: "After four seasons as the eponymous stars of Nickelodeon hit "Drake & Josh," Drake Bell and Josh Peck both have bigger, if different, fish to fry and are moving on." In addition, Bell is quoted: "Ending it is bittersweet. It's like graduating high school. You miss all your friends, but now I can do my music more and other stuff. I can't wait to tour again." So you are right: No more episodes of Drake & Josh. This is proof of this and I hope people will just stop adding this uncited nonsense to this article. 青い(Aoi) (talk) 08:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Drake's dresser and side of the room

does anyone know anything about all the punk and ska paraphernalia on Drakes side of the room? I've looked on his myspace and it doesnt say anything about in his influences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trusko (talk • contribs) 00:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a general discussion forum, all conversation here should be in regard to the article, not the actors. Eatspie (talk) 03:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
That and the drake in the show and drake in RL arn't the exact same people... --Jakezing (talk) 04:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Drake & Josh in New York

This movie isn't happening. Please see Drake's MySpace Christmas blog.

Both movies I filmed in 2007 will be released on the big screen in March and April.

The two films he is referring to are: "Superhero" (to be released March 28) and "College" (to be released April 11). This means he has *not* filmed Drake & Josh in New York in 2007 as some anonymous users on Wikipedia have claimed. Nor has he made any indication that such a project even exists. Unless someone has a valid source (IMDB is *not* a valid source) proving otherwise, any references to this nonexistent project on Wikipedia will continue to be removed. 青い(Aoi) (talk) 19:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

This Drake & Josh in New York thing intrigues me, especially the recent link from the KCA site. Doing some quick online searching, I stumbled upon this old press release from Viacom. Does anyone in the know have any idea if this is related? 青い(Aoi) (talk) 00:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
On the other hand, this is from a recent interview with Drake Bell:
Moviesonline: I read online that there was a Drake & Josh in New York movie coming about?
Drake Bell: No, that’s just an online rumour on imdb. We’re just going to do a movie of the week for the network. I thought it would be great to get the whole gang back together, so I called up Josh one day and asked if he’d be into doing another movie and he was. So we called the network and set it up.
Source: Movies Online
So there will probably be another movie, but it won't be this whole New York thing. 青い(Aoi) (talk) 18:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] No Amanda show? And what about the mom?

It doesn't mention anywhere that Drake and Josh is a spin off of the Amanda show. Another thing is that the section for Josh says he immitates Jim Carrey, but I don't recall that in any of the episodes. Another thing, why is the section for the mom so small? She was a pivotal part in the show! 75.32.184.246 (talk) 07:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC) therussianlunchlady

D&J is not an AS spinoff, it was created because of the talent of D&J but a spinoff always uses some of the characters from the previous show, none of which are mentioned here. I can't recall Josh immitating Carrey either. And the mom's section is so small because there's not as much information on her as there is on other characters. She could be the star of the show (no, she couldn't, she's really dull) and still have a skimpy section because we know almost zip about her. Tenk you veddy much. --Wack'd Talk to me! • Admire my handiwork! 11:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SEPERATE PAGES!

The section for Drake and Josh's characters is getting too long. In most other shows, even the small-time nickelodeon ones, the characters have their own pages. We don't need seperate pages for say, Crazy Steve or Craig and Eric, (although that would be nice), it isn't necessary. However, Drake and Josh were main characters in every single episode, and in a show that lasted for four seasons, and was one of the most popular new millenion shows, and even surpassed The Amanda Show's popularity, which was the show that Drake&Josh was spun off from. THEY NEED THEIR OWN PAGES!!! :) 75.32.184.246 (talk) 07:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC) therussianlunchlady

And your point is? NimiTize 22:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
My point is that if the characters for Hannah Montana, they need one for Drake&Josh. 75.39.217.179 (talk) 02:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)therussianlunchlady
There is a big debate about all this going on now. The separate character pages on show articles that have them will very likely go away except for very exceptional cases. Best to keep things the way they are for now until things get cleared up. Highly likely if you separate them now they would be merged back together again in the future. --NrDg 02:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
In my opinion the section providing information on all recurring characters goes on for much too long. Other television show articles have a separate article for a list of characters why shouldn't this one? We should only provide necessary information in the shows' main article, I suggest we create a separate page since there is apparantly no good reason not to. Eatspie (talk) 04:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
See intense debate about this issue at WP:Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2 and WT:Television episodes. This is not a simple issue. Separate episodes are supposed to show real world notability just like all other articles to be created. --NrDg 05:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Locking the article

Anyboduy agree that we should get a semi protect to remove all the friken spam?--Cody6 (talk) 04:37, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Agree. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 14:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I second that. Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 02:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't see sufficient IP vandalism to justify a semi-protect right now. Most IP edits I saw look good faith. --NrDg 02:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
We've bene in an edit war against people who refuse to listen that there isnt any epsiodes and that tv.com isn't a reliable source for it.--Jakezing (talk) 22:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Since when are you the owner of his article, and stop bringing this in, its one mistake. NimiTize 00:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
And spell right if your going to be on Wikipedia. NimiTize 00:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
On second thought, I don't think we need to lock the page, even if for spam. Some IPs may just be trying to add a relevant website to the article that may, in the end, prove beneficial for the users. Cinemaniac (talk • contribs • critique) 02:18, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Then they can make a account and get past the newby stage.--Jakezing (talk) 14:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Not everyone wants to go through the process of creating and maintaining an account. Some anonymous IP might just be trying to quickly help by providing information, you never know. Who are we to turn them away? Neither you or I own this article. Eatspie (talk) 04:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About Jerry Tantor

Well ppl please stop talking about iBoreing? This is about Drake and Josh, not iStupid.

Try to be more polite when presenting your opinion, wouldja? It helps. Also, remember to sign your posts by typing ~~~~ at the end of your comments. Thanks! Cinemaniac (talk • contribs • critique) 01:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Someone is still doing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.255.0.98 (talk) 19:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Drake & Josh in New York

Drake Bell and Josh Peck are filming the third Drake & Josh movie called Drake & Josh in New York. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.52.46.168 (talk) 14:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Source? Spiderswing432 (talk) 22:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)Spiderswing432

[edit] Drake & Josh as a successor to iCarly

People keep adding in iCarly in the "followed_by" box. I dispute this; iCarly is not a sequel or successor to Drake & Josh, though they may (somewhat arguably) take place in the same universe (however, if we go by that logic, iCarly is also related to Zoey 101, which it obviously isn't). I've been persistently removing iCarly from the "followed_by" field, but people keep adding it back in, so I'm posting this comment here on the Talk page. If you dispute my reasoning, please feel free to reply. Thanks, 青い(Aoi) (talk) 04:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)