Talk:Draft

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"Drafting (but not draughting) can mean: Drafting, technical drawing and engineering drawing in engineering and architecture". Not sure that this is true. Although "drafting" is the more common spelling even in the UK, "draughting" seems to be correct too. http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/draught?view=uk and other Oxford dictionaries give "draught" vb as an alternative to "draft" vb. (And interestingly "draughtsman" is the British spelling for the agent-noun except where legal documents are concerned, in which case "draftsman" is the preferred, but not mandatory, spelling.) -22:16, 17 September 2007 (UTC)~

Er, what happened to Draft (air)? 86.121.177.217 20:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

It could easily have been deleted as a dict-def article. But if the technology of ensuring adequate convective draft in chimneys is not elsewhere adequately covered, that might be at least a working title for such an article.
--Jerzy•t 21:26, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed section

The following may not have any place in WP, since it is so much more lexicographic than encyclopedic. In any case, it can never be part of a Dab page:

===Note on spelling===
In British English the word is spelled draught in some senses and draft in others. It is draught beer, a draught horse, a draught meaning a current of air or a ship's minimum depth of water to float, and the game draughts - all of which retain the older spelling draught. The simplified spelling draft is used for a plan or sketch, for a preliminary version of a document and for the verb meaning to write it, for an order of payment, and for military conscription (although this last meaning is not as common as in American English). In the USA the spelling is draft in all these cases.

--Jerzy•t 21:26, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Why does it not have a place in the article? Given a fairly complex matrix of different spellings for different meanings, in British and American English, the DAB page is the only suitable place for this information. It is a useful and accurate note, and seems to me perfectly "encyclopaedic". I have reinstated it, and I'd be grateful for further discussion here before anyone deletes it again. SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 06:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

Why delete “** Draft (animals), selecting an animal or animals from the mob and separating them” when there is no reference to this in Wikipedia and leave in a reference to “Drought’ which has no connection to draft?? Cgoodwin (talk) 04:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

  • One good answer to that question, as posed, is that (just as there are 2.5 million articles on WP, and no one editor is responsible for the quality of all of them) no one editor who improves an article has to make sure the rest of the article is perfect. And no imperfection in an article is justification for making it or any other article worse.
    In this case (especially since i not only left it in the article but moved it around, and considered whether to remove it), i don't mind being more specific. The "See also" sections of Dab pages (and in this, as in most aspects, Dab pages stand in contrast, as to standards, to article pages) is for lks to articles that a careful, reasonably well-informed user will not normally be looking for under the title of the Dab page, even tho a careless, ignorant, or momentarily deceived user might. Drought was at the very top of the page (where it could be appropriate on an article named Draught) bcz "drought" is
  1. one of the terminally confusing -ugh- words that are a pronunciation pitfall for young and new speakers of English, and
  2. a source of further confusion bcz of its interchangeable synonym "droughth" (even tho someone -- Dave? -- mocked his Bushiness the other night, as if W had made up the word),
so that some previous editor's judgment that it's reasonable to anticipate an occasional user coming here when looking for the main article on drought.
More to the point, there are several reasons why
** Draft (animals), selecting an animal or animals from the mob and separating them
cannot appear on the accompanying Dab page, some of them applicable regarding any other Dab page as well.
  1. The entry is ungrammatical. "Draft" in the context of the post-comma portion is a verb, and that portion is a nominative phrase.
  2. [[Animal is a (29 Kb) article on a very broad subject; i honestly didn't bother checking until now, but i considered it obvious, and it is true, that the article says nothing on the topic of drafting animals -- and doesn't even contain the string "draft". If you'll undertake the reading i suggested, you'll see that since anyone who came to Draft looking for encyclopedic knowledge about drafting animals, and followed the link you are defending, would have their time wasted by following that link, the link is contrary to our purposes in writing a 'pedia, and must not appear.
  3. Beyond the counterproductive lk, the wording is, as i said in my initial summary hopelessly a dictionary definition. Dict Defs server one purpose on WP: a good and pertinent dictdef almost always makes a good lead sentence for an article. No words on a Dab page do any good (and thus provide harmful clutter) unless they help users get to the articles they want. If you want to write an article called "drafting animals", give it a shot, and it can appear, at least in the See also section of a Dab -- not this one, bcz we don't write articles (except in cases too rare to distract us here) with verbs as titles; "drafting animals" is a nominative phrase and potentially a reasonable article title. It would go on the dab Drafting, bcz a reasonably knowlegable use would look on "draft" only for topics where draft is the most prominent noun; articles on how animals are drafted belong, if at all, on a Dab page with a nominative title corresponding to the verb draft.
  4. The Dab entry has to help the user find the relevant matter. For example, i changed
    Draft (combustion), the incoming flow of air of a Boiler or engine
    to
    Draft, incoming flow of air to burn fuel for a boiler or engine
    bcz the piping via "Draft (combustion)" suggested that the use expect that article title as the result of following the link, leading to discomfort when that's not true, and the the longer piping is a tip to look for other words ("controlling" might further serve that purpose, but i found it misleading, since the topic applies where there's no specific control.

(I may add more to this another day, soon, but please make use of this lick-and-a-promise for now.)
--Jerzy•t 06:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)