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[edit] Moved

NOTE: On February 14, 2005 we moved this article from "Dr. Hugo Heyrman" to its proper designation "Hugo Heyrman" to conform with with Wikipedia standards of consistency. JillandJack 13:10, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio?

This article appears to be a copyright violation from http://www.jahsonic.com/HugoHeyrman.html However, that page may well have been authored by one of the anonymous editors contributing here. Can anyone clarify. -- Solipsist 10:01, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Note to Solipsist:

Hereby I confirm to be the original author of the text at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Hugo_Heyrman. The text at http://www.jahsonic.com/HugoHeyrman.html is a copy of the original, edited & published with my permission. -- Dr. Hugo Heyrman 12:57, 19 Dec 2004

... So this article should probably be at Hugo Heyrman, with a redirect from Dr. Hugo Heyrman.

Note to Solipsist:

-- Dr. Hugo Heyrman (in this case it is not just a title, but an official artist name) 12:57, 19 Dec 2004

Thanks Dr. Hugo, that should cover the GFDL licensing. I see you have a user name now - that's excellent.
I don't think I can now merge the page histories from the other related/blanked articles, but I can at least move this talk page and check the redirects.
I take your point on the article title. It doesn't quite conform to the manual of style, but that's OK. A more important rule is that an article should be at the most common name, or where people would expect to find it. There is a precedent for retaining a Dr. on a artist's name at Dr. Dre, most of the other examples are fictional characters. -- Solipsist 21:43, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Note to Solipsist:

Real thanks for accepting this specific case, the advice and also for mentioning the precedent example. -- Dr. Hugo 10:01, 25 Dec 2004

[edit] Wikipedia:Vanity guidelines

I would suggest you read:

In relation to editing an article about yourself. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 16:49, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

The article requires third-party sources confirming notability as per Wikipedia guidelines (see Wikipedia:Notability (people)). Otherwise this article runs the risk of going to the article for deletion process as a vanity, non-notable article. Also, given that the article is about a Wikipedia user, that has edited trhe article itself, the article will probably needs to be userfied (i.e. moved to the user's page). ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 17:03, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Third party sources

Dr, Hugo, can you please provide thir party sources that attest to some of the content you added? This is needd for Verifiability, otheerwise you carry the risk that the article will be marked for deletion and the content moved to your user page. Thanks. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 23:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Note to Jossi, in order to defend the notablity, hereby a reference to a list of reliable published sources, to attest the content of the article. A selection of the third-party sources are to be found online at 'Selected Bibliography': [[1]]. -- Hugo Heyrman 02:60, 24 januari 2006

Thanks Hugo. Can you provide cites to these refs? For example. when you say...
During the sixties, Dr. Hugo Heyrman profiled himself as an avant-garde artist with happenings, film- and video experiments.
...we need a cite in which a third party (what we call a secondary source), that confirms that statement (such as a neswpaper article, a magazine article, an online interview, etc.
Another example, when you say:
Online since 1995, Dr. Hugo Heyrman became one of the pioneers in Net.art.
...we need a citation in which a source other than you, referred to you as a pioner of net art.
Yet another example, when you say ...
For Dr. Hugo Heyrman ideas are tools; his personal approach to surface, texture and colour contributes to the possibilities of painting, and the adventure of the visual arts.
...we need a source in which that is stated, etc.
(BTW, if you place four tildes like this: ~~~~, your signature and a time/dat stamp wil be added automatically.) ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 02:30, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Attempt to NPOV the article

I have attempted to WP:NPOV the article as an example on how this biography can be treated. I have added marks such as: {{fact}} where we should expect verifiable sources. Hope this helps. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 02:45, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Note to Jossi: real thanks for the advise on the structural editing of the article. Dr. Hugo 03:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

You are welcome. Regarding the cite to:
History of Internet Art, review by Matthew Turlington http://www.doctorhugo.org/review.html.
Where was that published? If it was published only in your website, that may be not sufficient for inclusion. Thanks. Also note that Mr. Turlingon may not be notable enough to be cited as a source for an article in Wikipedia ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 04:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Note to Jossi, Thanks for mentioning the Mr. Turlingon's cite. Regarding footnote 5, I corrected it, to place it into a more referential time context. Dr. Hugo 12:13, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. The article now is looking good but many of the sources I am not so sure about. IMO, in these bios less is more. Please note:
  • All sources and references cannot be from either yourself, or your website. Sources have to be from secondary sources.
  • Sources need to be relevant for verifiability. If you provide a reference, the reference needs to verify the text
For example this cite: Prix Jeune Peinture Belge http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Jeune_Peinture_Belge is not meaningful for verifiability. Also refs 8 and 9, seem to be primary sources. Ref 5 is supposed to be to assert verifiability about being a pioneer of digital art. What we need is a secondary source saying that Heryman is such. Otherwise we need to delete the text for NPOV. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 16:02, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Note to Jossi: I must say that your remarks are to the point. I take it as a challenge to oblige your requests one by one. I corrected 4 into a secondary source, made it less is more and added a See also. Dr. Hugo 19:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Excellent. Thanks. I wish it would be so easy with other biographies... :) ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 00:51, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Note to Jossi: hereby a wikifying correction for [citation needed], and a question if I can add an image? Photo by Charles François (Drhugoheyrman.1.jpg). Dr. Hugo 07:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Hugo, Yes, you can add a photo, if you have the rights for it and you are willing to place such photo in the public domain under the GNU. See Wikipedia:Copyrights ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 16:09, 20 February 2006 (UTC)