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[edit] Kenichi Mikawa

Thank you for your recognition of Kenichi Mikawa.He is the most popular TV presenter like Mino Monta.His talk show program is full of much "owarai",Japanese traditional sence of showmanship!----Naotyan 04:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I enjoy singing his songs at karaoke. It's the least I could do.Douggers 05:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Now,I will sing my repertory from his works! "iie watasiwa sasoriza no onna･････bakane bakane bakane･･･(sasoriza no onna)". Please enjoy his songs.----Naotyan 06:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gifu

Just a word of enthusiastic support for the work you've been doing on Gifu, Gifu. Are you planning to bring the article to featured status? Fg2 10:20, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd love to Gifu up to that level, but I'm at a bit of an impasse. I don't know what needs to be done to improve it. I've put it up for peer review and am waiting for any advice. And sorry for all the "Gifu City" references; I'm trying to break the habit. ;-) Thanks for your support. Douggers 13:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ota-juku redirect

Please see User talk:JLaTondre#Redirect under CSD G7 regarding the redirect you nominated at Redirects for Discussion. In an effort to keep this discussion in one place, please don't reply here or on my talk page, but only at JLaTondre's talk page. BigNate37(T) 19:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] World Rowing Championships

Thanks for your message - have moved the successions box to Nagaragawa International Regatta Course;

No problem at all. Douggers 11:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About Gifu's picture

Hello, My name is Monami at Japanese Wikipedia, and I lived near Gifu city.I looked at any images you uploaded on this wikipedia.These are nice images, and I would like to use these images on Japanese Wikipedia. Please upload these images on Wikimedia Commons if possible.So we use these images on japanese wikipedia. I uploded any images on Wikimedia commons.Please look Commons:Category:Gifu, Gifu,Commons:Category:Gifu prefecture and use these images if nesesary on this Wikipedia.And There are new images about Gifu Pref on ja:Portal:日本の都道府県/岐阜県/新着画像.

(Japanese:) Konnichiwa Japanese Wikipedia no Monami to iimasu. Watasi ha gifu city no chikaku ni sundeimasu. Watasi ha anataga uploaded images wo mimashita.ii gazou dato omoimasita. Sorede Japanese Wikipedia demo korera no gazou wo tukaitai to omoimasu. Dekireba Wikimedia Commons ni upload site kudasai.Sousureba Japanese Wikipedia demo tukaemasu. Watasi ha utusita gazou wo Commons ni upload site imasu.yokereba mite, hituyou deareba tukatte kudasai. 121.93.96.26 14:19, 5 August 2007 (UTC)(ja:User:Monami)

[edit] WikiProject Japan taskforces

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Please let me know if you have any questions, and thank you for helping out! ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 08:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] reading of "宿"

I have a question about the reading of the Chinese character "宿" in your articles. In Japanese version Wikipedia, main writer of the category used "juku" as reading, and have been written such. However, it may be wrong. In Japanese version, the mistake can be easily corrected by edit. But in English-language version, moveing article will be needed. It is under check now about the right reading or agreed reading. In addition, my account of Wikipedia Japanese version is "nekosuki600". See you again, bye! --Nekosuki 10:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

in Japanese : あなたの記事の中の「宿」の読みについて、疑問があります。日本語版Wikipediaでは、あの一群の記事を書いた方が「じゅく」という読み方をしており、そのように書かれています。しかしながら、それは間違っています。日本語版では容易に編集対応で直せますが、英語版ですと記事移動が必要になってしまいます。いま、正しい読み・合意される読みについて討議中です。--Nekosuki 12:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I've been going with the readings that I've seen when I've visited some of the places, so I'm pretty sure that some of them are "juku," but I'll change it if necessary. Douggers 11:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I explain a slight addition. Names of a place are a proper noun. Therefore, the same Kanji character can be read other pronunciation. For example, "御宿" is read with Onjuku, "安中宿" is read with An'nakashuku. Each proper noun articles must be written with correct pronunciation. However, I think the mass-produced writer of the post town in ja.wikipedia applied "juku pronunciation" to "character of 宿" automatically. I am very sorry some writers of ja.wikipedia has made you trouble. --Nekosuki 13:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
in Japanese : 追加説明です。地名は固有名詞です。また、漢字には、異なる読み方があります。（宿に関しては）、たとえば「御宿」は「おんじゅく」と読みますが、「安中宿」は「あんなかしゅく」と読みます。固有名詞記事には、それぞれ正しい発音が附されていなければなりません。日本語版で宿場町の項目を量産した方は、「宿」の文字に自動的に「じゅく」の読みをつけてしまったようです。幾人かの日本語版のライターがあなたを面倒なことに巻き込んでしまい、たいへん申しわけありません。--Nekosuki 12:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I speak Japanese. I know the characters can be read different ways. But I've visited some of the post towns (馬籠宿 is "Magome-juku"), so I know some of them are written properly.
日本語で失礼します。
歴史的には、「しゅく」読みが先で、固有名詞化するにつれて、また時代が下るにつれて、「じゅく」読みが増えてきたという経緯のように思われます。そのため、現在では「じゅく」読みとなっているものについても、江戸時代の宿場町記事としては「しゅく」読みにしておくべきものがまざっているように思われます。
より正確を期すためには、個別の地名について、ひとつひとつ変遷を確かめつつ確認作業をしなければなりませんが、これにはかなり時間がかかりそうです。重ねて、お詫び申し上げます。--Nekosuki 12:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
勉強になりました。ご説明をいただき、ありがとうございました。変遷が時間がかかりますが、必要がありますので、変遷します。日本語のWikipediaでの変遷を終えてから、お知らせください。それから、英語のWikipediaで、変遷を始めます。 Douggers 01:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External link from Oda Nobunaga

Hi Douggers,

I clicked that link and what comes up is a page advertising one-dollar porn etc. Nothing to do with Nobunaga. That's why I removed it from the article. Same before I deleted it and after you restored it. Not sure what's going on with that site... but what I see is clearly not what you see!

Fg2 09:29, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

The one I get is definitely not porn; that's a pretty weird situation. Here's a sublink to the page. Does something different come up? http://www.odanobunaga.com/zatsu.htm Douggers 13:59, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
No luck! Both Firefox (my default browser) when I click the link and IE (into which I pasted the address) tell me the domain is invalid, and when I try again I get that advertising page. Weird! Fg2 21:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fujikawa-juku circular redirect

The Fujikawa-juku redirect page created on October 25, 2007 redirect to itself. – Conrad T. Pino 08:58, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Someone fixed it before I had the chance. Douggers 14:23, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Image talk:Gifumtkinka.jpg

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[edit] Merger of battles of Azukizaka

Hiya. I noticed you've proposed a merger of the two battles of Azukizaka (1542 and 1564). It would be great if you could describe your reasons for suggesting the merger. Thanks. LordAmeth (talk) 02:12, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnsensu Award

WikiProject Japan Barnsensu Award
For your ceaseless editing, creating and translating of Japan-related articles - especially Gifu related articles - I award this Barnsensu to you, Douggers. You are a valuable asset to WikiProject Japan. Keep up the good work. Brian Adler (talk) 00:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Congrats, Douggers. You deserve it. (^_^) ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the award and the comments. m(_ _)m Recognition creates a nice warm feeling on a cold January day. Douggers (talk) 05:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I could use some recognition where I live, then. It's about 2°F outside right now, and the breeze isn't helping any. <shiver> ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] UCFD relisting

Hi. Recently you commented at Wikipedia:User categories for discussion#Wikipedians in x prefecture. Although the debate started as a discussion on whether to rename the category, it later broadened to encompass upmerging the categories to Category:Wikipedians in Japan. I have left the debate open a little longer because the suggestion came quite late in the debate and I am not sure if all participants had seen the suggestion. If you have an opinion on this upmerge, please comment at the debate above. Thanks for your time. Hiding T 11:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mutsu province/Iwase province

Your recent edits based on Yōrō-ritsuryō changes in Nara period in the political organization of Tohoku are transparent, accurate, reasonable -- of course. But I wonder if you might be persuaded to expand on the thinking which underlies this minor edit because I think it might help clarify my understanding of my own edits elsewhere.

I'm especially wondering about the plausible inclusion of deliberate redundancies in related Wikipedia articles. Why wouldn't it have been more "encyclopedic," more helpful, more appropriate to have left something about Yōrō chenges in the article which ostensibly focuses solely on Mutsu province? Do you see my point?

The issues in this instance are small. The consequent evolution of the two stubs is trivial. However, I'm persuaded that the implications may be relevant in a process of figuring out how better to parse the way I approach more complicated subjects. Expressed differently, I'm trying to invite you to think about something which is a little bit beyond mere lexicological metastasis; and my tentative POV assumes that the efficacy of internal links will ultimately prove to be Wikipedia's greatest asset as 21st-century reference source. At the same time, I try to approach every subject (and every edit) with a view to metastasizing the contents of any specific article across the broadest array of plausibly relevant corollaries -- not only by creating internal links, but by actively engaging the subject matter from this ontological perspective.

This means that I now believe I missed a trick by not editing Iwase province at the same time as I added the Yōrō changes in Mutsu province; and also, this POV means that I suspect that it was a mistake -- or a missed opportunity -- when you deleted any mention of Yōrō changes.

Bottom line, this isn't really a matter of POV -- not really. Rather, it goes to the heart of what we each construe to be the goal of an Internet encyclopedica. Now that I've actually typed out these thoughts, the words sound much too fancy; but there you have it. I could work on softening the overly-academic tone, but the gravamen of my questions might be muddied. I this strikes a responsive chord, I'd look forward to your feedback. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 19:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry for not explaining my moves more clearly when I made my edit. To a certain extent, I'm not against redundancies on Wikipedia. Each article is related to some other article, so it makes perfect sense for some information to be shared. However, the information about Iwase Province that was place in the Mutsu Province article seemed to be a complete cut and past of the exact same information (along with all of the {{nihongo}} codes and bolding). There was no context relating it to the rest of the article, so it didn't flow at all and seemed very jumbled. (There's no mention of Iwase Province or Michinoku Province anywhere else in the article, which made the information seem useless. I've since learned the relationship between Michinoku and Mutsu, but the article itself has to show why the information is all connected.)
I would not be against the information being reincorporated into the article, as long as it wasn't a direct cut and paste of the information and as long as the flow of the information can be easily understood. If you need help with that, let me know. Douggers (talk) 02:45, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
You weren't wrong -- not at all. In fact, what I'm taking away from your words is that I was doing something wrong. Because of your feedback, I begin to appreciate what I did was inadequate when I used cut-and-paste to bring this information from somewhere else.
Of the things you wrote, the independent clause I most needed to read was this one: "the article itself has to show why the information is all connected." Aha! I almost get it.
I anticipate that I'll be doing a lot of this sort of thing in 2008, and while I'll be making all sorts of mistakes throughout the coming year, maybe I'll manage to avoid this one a little bit more frequently than would have been the case without your analysis. Thanks. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 03:10, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
I still make plenty of mistakes, too. Don't feel bad. ;-) I'm glad I could help. Douggers (talk) 03:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA pass of Gifu, Gifu

It looks like someone else nominated it, but I wanted to let you know that I just approved Gifu, Gifu as a Good Article. I've left comments on the talk page, but I also noticed (after I finished the GA review, strangely) that it had been to FAC and was rejected. Alas, the peer reviews didn't seem to offer much advice, and I worry that I haven't been too helpful either. =) As I say in the GA review, I agree with one commentator elsewhere that more independent sources would be good – but you would know better than I how easy those are to come by.

Anyway, good luck with the article and let me know if you have any questions. – Scartol • Tok 00:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the update! And I do appreciate your comments because it atleast gives me a direction to go in. I haven't worked on the article much recently because I didn't know what to do. Douggers (talk) 00:34, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inaba clan

Thanks for your recent edit to Inaba clan. In that context, wonder if I might invite you to take a look at the introductory section of Sakai clan. Maybe the fudai status information needs to be moved up to the top? If there is a way to improve this introduction, it will help me do better when I write about other clans in future.--Tenmei (talk) 02:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll take a look at the Sakai clan. I don't think I know enough to help make a common structure for clan pages, but I'll see what I can do. Douggers (talk) 03:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Flag Art Exhibition in Gifu

A tag has been placed on Flag Art Exhibition in Gifu requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company or corporation, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for companies and corporations.

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I'm commenting on your talk page. Douggers (talk) 11:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your comment. I tagged it with the "companies, organsations, etc." tag because there isn't a speedy tag for exhibitions or events. It was tagged so quickly because I was patrolling Special:NewPages - if you like, you could use {{inuse}} to keep people off it for a bit longer while you develop it. I hadn't realised it was the first exhibition of its kind - if you wanted to put in a little bit about that, I would happily remove the CSD template. Thanks, Cricketgirl (talk) 12:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC). PS sorry if you get this twice - gremlins in the computer.
Thanks for your quick response. I've expanded the article and included sources for statements that denote is notability, so could you please give it another look? Thanks! Douggers (talk) 12:13, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the speedy tag because thanks to your quick expansion - I'm still not totally convinced that it's notable, but I'm convinced enough that had I come across the article in this state on the new page patrol, I would have marked it patrolled rather than tagging it. Thanks for your courtesy and quick action! Have a nice day.... Cricketgirl (talk) 12:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mino Thirty-three Kanon

Hi Douggers, and thanks for creating Mino Thirty-three Kanon. Wondering if there's a reason for a single rather than a double "n" in "Kanon"? It's 「かんのん」 in the Japanese Wikipedia article at 美濃三十三観音, and conventionally (with some exceptions) "Kannon" in English, at least in my experience. Fg2 (talk) 02:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The only reason is that I'm an idiot. I've moved the page and I'll fix the links. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Douggers (talk) 09:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
It's spelled many ways, so it's hardly idiotic! Fg2 (talk) 10:10, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletions

I notice that you are proposing the deletion of References to other works sections of some articles about Mishima novels. I understand that the collection of trivia is discouraged, but these references (which I compiled) are not trivial and provide pointers to relevant articles which are otherwise difficult to find. This is quite important, as the translations contain errors and distorted names. Xanthoxyl (talk) 10:24, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

It still doesn't explain why these works are important. As of right now, it still just looks like a random list of books or quotes or whatever that came up during the story. How do they contribute anything to the books? If you can show how the information is important, I could possibly agree to keeping them in. Douggers (talk) 11:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
If you had read these books, you would realise that they are certainly not "random lists", but quite pared down, and their significance is clear to anyone familiar with what is referred to. To give some examples:
Kiyoaki and Honda go the theatre when it is showing Lion Dance (about two rival generals of the Kamakura period) and The Rise and Fall of the Taira, the first of which parallels the contrast between the two friends and the second of which symbolises the end of an era (i.e. the world in which someone like Kiyoaki could thrive, according to Mishima). In the same way, when Kiyoaki and Satoko play with the Okura cards, the poets Minamoto no Shigeyuki and Onakatomi no Yoshinobu are chosen by the author with the deliberate intention of revealing their characters. The name of Leopardi is brought up because of his "nihilism", the Monster representing the author himself on the margins of an idyllic world.
The Buddhist texts mentioned in the article on The Temple of Dawn are central to the story. Mishima spends dozens of pages discussing the theory of reincarnation and how it has been reflected on by various thinkers, all of which ties in with Honda's desperate attempts to manipulate karmatic threads. Given the hugeness of the Buddhistic corpus, it is fairly important to point out the specific texts that are being referred to.
Similar considerations apply to Runaway Horses. Japanese nationalism is a complex subject, and Isao's rejection of Kita Ikki and fascination with Wang Yangming (for example) tells you a lot about his worldview. And Hagoromo is the defining "legend" behind the conclusion of The Decay of the Angel, in which Kiyoaki-Isao-Ying-Chan is seen as the angel who dances for a short while for the fisherman who has taken the robe (i.e. Honda).
I have to admit I have baffled and hurt by the hostility of your tone. I was quite careful to make these lists as short and to-the-point as I could, eliminating anything which could be considered "original research". Xanthoxyl (talk) 13:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I have read the books. In fact, I've read most of Mishima's works. Please do not assume that I choose random Wikipedia articles to edit. Also, I'm not saying that the information is not important; rather, I'm saying that you don't explain the importance, which makes it seem random.
In your above comments, you said, "their significance is clear to anyone familiar with what is referred to." The thing is, most people on Wikipedia are not familiar with the topics covered in the articles. That's why there needs to be more context. Explanations like the ones above make good points and that's the type of information that I think should be added to the articles.
I'm sorry if you find my comments hostile, as that was definitely not my intent. I just don't agree with the current layout of the articles and I wanted to get some consensus, or atleast an idea of what other editors are thinking, before making changes. I have absolutely no problem with stepping back and letting you clarify those sections or somehow working them into the articles. Hopefully, we can reach some agreement on how to improve the articles. Douggers (talk) 13:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your patient reply. The reason I was defensive is that I have been troubled in the past, looking at some articles' histories, at how casual deletions made at random for vague reasons can wash away large amounts of useful information, and I was worried that something similar was happening here. Sorry for my rudeness.
I will try to revise these sections next week so they are more coherent and no longer in bullet form. Xanthoxyl (talk) 14:05, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
It's no problem. I'm looking forward to the changes. Douggers (talk) 14:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)