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[edit] Email

Hi Doright, I responded to your recent email but it was returned as disabled. Hope all is well. --MPerel 17:38, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Mperel, I haven't been on WP for a long time and the associated email address was deactivated. In any case, it's nice to know that I'm remembered with some affection. However, I did not email you. I have now reactivated my email address and look forward to hearing from you either here or there. All is very well. :) Doright (talk) 17:56, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Correction

Oops! Sorry about that. Aelffin (talk) 12:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Palestinian People

Oh gosh Doright. And a miserable corner it is. At least for the moment I’m afraid I lack the energy required to involve myself there. That article belongs to a subject area that draws out the worst in people on many sides (including "my" side) and I don’t think I have the fortitude to bear it. Vandalism patrol, reverting "penis" and "poo", is the extent of what I can handle for the time being : ) --MPerel 07:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Doright, it would be nice if you would actually participate in the discussion on the talk page (Specifically, this section here, rather than making repeated undiscussed changes to the introduction as you did for example here: [1], [2]. I'm not sure if you noticed the multiple sections stressing the need for changes to the introduction to be discussed first. One change was permitted to stand, using the WP:BRD rationale, for which that talk page section was opened. Editors who revert the change however, are expected to make a case as to why on the talk page. Failure to do so, makes the revert disruptive, rather than constructive. So please, if you do revert the edit again, revert to the last introduction to enjoy some consensus, and outline your objection in the section I've linked above, so that we can discuss how to move towards a consensus version. Okay? Thanks. Tiamuttalk 09:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
This is an extraordinary remark. You appear to call for collegiality, starting from the set of alterations you have made, without talking to anyone. You made, from out of the blue, 11 edits in a 'couple of days', amongst which a comprehensive change to the intro. which are usually the hardest things to negotiate, and the text was the result of long work. (2)You have been inactive for a long time and have suddenly jumped at this page, saying, while requesting outside assistance from an excellent editor User:MPerel, that because others have requested you to slow down, because edits you have not discussed are challenged, this 'miserable' page is suffering from WP:OWN, which, practically means that a newcomer with no record in the area, making a dozern changes, is disconcerted that several experienced editors disagree with his unilateral edits (3) Your edits were often technically faulty, as Eleland indicated (4) Effectively the edit you were pushing replaced a complex rich summary statement of much recent scholarship on the formation of Palestinian identity with a bare quote from one source: the effect was to impoverish the terxt (5) the talk you engaged in to justify this significant alteration of the lead was minimal (6) I follow this and many other pages closely (7) YOur revert was unilateral and disruptive (7) With significant alterations in negotiated leads one should, in respect for those who have a long tradition of having worked on a page, vet their opinion before hazarding your own preferred material (8) The EB is one source, and not the only reliable source because you alone happen to prefer it. (9) To accuse practiced editors of a page of edit warring when they have made just one or two changes, independently, on a page you seem ready to rtewrite singlehandedly, is calling the kettle black. You appear to me at least to be conducting a one-man show edit war with several people. Show a willingness to justify before others your own take on this line, and achieve consensus, and perhaps you will find your actual edits less troubled by challenges. I have not edit-warred.Nishidani (talk) 08:34, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Again, I ask please address the article content issue that I initiated on the article talk page as you can see I had previously done here. I suggest that it is more helpful to the WP project than a flame war that I have no interest in. Ironically, your comments here are both self-contradictory and provide additional evidence that some editors may be going too far in "defending" the article. You complain that I do not engage in discussion on the talk page, while in fact I have, for example right here, then you refuse to do so yourself even when I specifically created a talk page section to address your concern. You complain about my requesting a second opinion from an editor by asking them to "take a look at the article," even though we both agree she is an excellent editor. One would think that my seeking input from an excellent editor would be encouraged. And, your characterization of her as an "outside" editor, in this context, only furthers one's concerns that there are "ownership" issues at play here. Interestingly, the excellent editor seems to agree with my assessment of the editorial environment on that page. She says, "Oh gosh Doright. And a miserable corner it is." Apparently, this is not as "extraordinary" of a remark as you think. Rather, it is the assessment of an excellent editor, so much so, that the excellent editor is discouraged from even participating because of the "lack the energy required to involve myself there. That article belongs to a subject area that draws out the worst in people." This seems to provide further evidence that the editorial environment that you seem to covet discourages contributions from even excellent editors. I trust that the irony of your generalized and unsupported claims with respect to the content of my edits are not unnoticed. For example, the WP:RS quote that you reverted came from the Encyclopedia Britannica and is from the same source and paragraph that your preferred POV version is purported to cite. Again, the place to address concerns about the content of edits to the article is at the article discussion page. Please do so. Future rants to this talk page will be ignored when deemed of no material benefit to the Encylopedia. Regards, Doright (talk) 20:53, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Blocked"

If you're interested to know about the context of my brief block, you could read a lengthy sectionn of AN/I here. The editor who blocked me (and quite a few others) took a fair amount of heat for this and had to step back from it. If you're concerned that I might end up being blocked again and want to help by making me aware of policies etc., may I suggest that my talk page is the appropriate place for that sort of assistance. thanks Nomoskedasticity (talk) 00:08, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer but I'm not that interested in why you were blocked. As your user account was opened only last month, I thought you might not be familiar with some of our policies that could result in you being removed from the debate. Since I was pointing out other policies related to the editing dispute at Israel, I also mentioned the 3RR policy. I'm sorry if that offended you. Happy editing, Doright (talk) 00:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Israel -> Zionism and the British Mandate

hi! i just want to apologize for reverting your edit whitout stating my reason for doing so. i mistakingly thought you had simply removed my sentence, while in reality you had relocated and reformulated it. therfore, i (wrongly) didn't bother to write anything in the comments field. i'm sorry for this rather rude behaviour of mine. Frederico1234 (talk) 22:47, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for this courtesy. Regards, Doright (talk) 23:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Lewis

Thanks for the heads-up. Glad you are okay with my edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grunge6910 (talk • contribs) 01:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My request for bureaucratship

Dear Doright, thank you for taking part in my RfB. As you may know, it was not passed by bureaucrats.
I would, however, like to thank you for taking the time to voice your concerns about my candidacy. Unfortunately very few of the opposes gave me advice on points I should improve upon (bar the examples of incivility), and I ask you now, very humbly, to visit my talkpage, should you have any concerns about any of my actions here.
I remain eager to serve you as an administrator and as an editor. ~ Riana ⁂ 07:04, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I’m sorry you have experienced the disappointment of an unsuccessful candidacy. However, surely you are not unclear about the advice suggested by my comments. Specific diff’s were provided. As I mentioned in your RfB, my advice is you not exhibit the behaviors that the community has identified as a source of concern. Then, after 6 months, give your candidacy another try, if you are still interested in the position. Regards, Doright (talk) 18:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
No, your opposition was quite clear on points I should improve upon - blame the copy-paste :) Thanks, ~ Riana ⁂ 02:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] reply at Talk:Israel

hi!

please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Israel#Jewish_and_Arab_immigration

regards, Frederico1234 (talk) 04:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. Best regards, Doright (talk) 05:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of citations in Jewish lobby

Please be more specific before performing big reverts. Note that you have removed at least nine citations from reliable sources added by multiple editors, claiming they are "original research". If you wish to claim "original research" when removing citations, considerably more specificity is necessary to justify your actions. Otherwise, it's just edit-warring. Exactly which citations do you object to, and why? --John Nagle (talk) 17:40, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Terrorism Newsletter

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Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 05:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Prime minister

Hi. I reverted your last edit to that article, I'm afraid. You removed Palestine from the list of prime ministers by country, arguing that Palestine is not a country. While this is obviously technically true, I don't think it is an uncontroversial edit. As such, I think you should discuss on the talk page first whether or not Palestine should be removed from the list. If, then, consensus is reached that it should be removed, you are of course very free to remove it again. I hope this is okay with you, and you should by no mean think that your contributions are not appreciated. -Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • count) • I'm watching this page so just reply to me right here! 16:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Reply is here Doright (talk) 18:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Lilac Soul, tagging an edit as [minor] is a privilege reserved for registered users so that it is less likely to be abused as you did [here]. Reverting an editor's correction to an article in not properly tagged as minor. I hope this is okay with you. Doright (talk) 21:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)