Talk:Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic

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[edit] RSFSR

It was never part of Russian SFSR. From the quoted source:

Совнарком РСФСР не признал Донецко-Криворожскую Республику ни самостоятельной республикой, ни частью Российской Федерации.

[1]--Hillock65 18:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

On the other hand

входила в состав РСФСР.

[2]--Kuban Cossack 18:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, we clearly have a conflict of sources - Soviet against modern Ukrainian. Any suggestions as to how to resolve this or should we tag the article? --Hillock65 19:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Make both assertions, I think the term short-lived is enough, it might have been the case that de facto it was part of the RSFSR even though Lenin and Trotsky did not wish for it to be. --Kuban Cossack 13:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

This is new. There was dissent to the will of Lenin and Trotsky?! Sounds surreal.--Hillock65 14:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I highlighted the quote below. --Kuban Cossack 19:41, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Here is another source in addition to the one above that it was never recognized:

Совнарком РСФСР не признал Донецко-Криворожскую Республику ни самостоятельной республикой, ни частью Российской Федерации. А в телеграммах представителям СНК в Украине г.Орджоникидзе и В.Антонову-Овсиенко В.Ленин требовал сурового соблюдения суверенитета Советской Украины, невмешательства в деятельность ЦИК Советов Украины, тактичности в национальном вопросе, заботы об укреплении сотрудничества Украинской и Российской Советских республик.

So, it's 2:1 for now. [3]--Hillock65 19:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dates

The aforementioned source states that the republic ceased to exist by may of 1918 ... not 1919 as it says in the article.

Однако к маю 1918 немецким войскам удалось захватить территорию Д.-К. с. р. и республика прекратила своё существование

I changed the correct date.--Hillock65 19:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)