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[edit] Which CKC?

The article claims the following: "…a breeding pair of Belgian Shepherds of the Groenendael variety can produce puppies of the Tervuren (brown) variety; the AKC considers the varieties to be different breeds and, therefore, the brown puppies are invalid and undesirable dogs, whereas the CKC considers them simply to be different color varieties of the same breed." The AKC link indicates the American Kennel Club, but the CKC link goes to a disambiguation page that indicates two distinct kennel clubs, the Canadian Kennel Club and the Continental Kennel Club. Which club (between Canadian and Continental) recognizes both Belgian Shepherd varieties as the same breed? Irishchieftain 07:50, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What does this sentence mean?

"They are accommodated to certain natural and economic conditions and usually exploitation while differ from other breeds by exclusive conformation traits and working abilities."

Sorry, but I can't figure it out. Some mistake must have been made here. Could someone edit this who is familiar with the subject? zadignose (talk) 00:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Great point, edits are meant to be for whoever is familiar with the subject.

Dog breed is unique in its way, because dogs of a certain breed have certain abitlities or looks. Some people breed them and sell them to other people, looking for either abilities (such as hunting) or unique appearance. Purebred dog industry is maintained by a cash flow.

"to economic conditions" means, that purebred dogs are sold for money only for as long, as there is a demand for the breed, and the demand is there only for as long as there are people looking for something certain. Or else, they will adopt a shelter pet.

If nobody willing to pay for a fighting APBT puppy, the breeder does not have an outlet to sell them. Eventually, he discontinues the breed.

"to natural conditions and exploitation" means, that there is usually a certain habitat the breed is matching, because it originated to match it. For example, a hunting breed that perfects in hunts at large open territories, such as Foxhounds. They are not ideal urban pets, because they are born to run in quantities and hunt; the Foxhound will be bored and miserable in a city apartment. Thus, we don't see that many Foxhounds in cities. And the less open land for hunting there is, the less popular is this breed. How about exporting them to Africa, to hunt local prey? One needs to know if they adjust to African climate before shipping them to savannah, because they come from colder climate, right ? This is another example of "being accommodated to certain natural condition".--Afru (talk) 18:35, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


Thank you for translating, but it is still very unclear. Hafwyn (talk) 14:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

It still will be unclear, until clarified. The breed constantly goes through certain stages of development. It originated for a purpose. Conditions change over time, so does the breed. --Afru (talk) 06:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clarification

"They are accommodated to certain natural and economic conditions and usually exploitation while differ from other breeds by exclusive conformation traits and working abilities."

I think that comment (as explained) belongs on the "purebred" page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purebred#Purebred_dogs) in a paragraph detailing controversies, or perhaps on the Domestic Dog page.

This page is to explain how dogs are catagorized.

Hafwyn (talk) 16:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed link to the CKC, substituted FCI and Rare Breed Network

Under External links: Swapped out the Continental Kennel Club (CKC) link, which wasn't identified as such. The CKC is controversial (this is not a good place to get into THAT argument) and a poor choice of reference.

I have substituted the FCI dog breed page; the FCI registers 339 breeds in 78 groups from 84 countries (plus 10 provisional breeds) and is the recognized international dog breed authority. To cover everything else that may or may not be a breed, I added the Rare Breed Network breed list page, which lists a large and growing number of rare, local, and recently invented breeds along with recognized breeds that it considers "rare." The Rare Breed Network is an informational website and doesn't sell dog registrations.

Hafwyn (talk) 23:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Agree, that's a better link. Still, the entire article needs a major edit --Afru (talk) 06:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


yes, good idea, I will start with the "history" section since it has too much about pre-history already on the Dog page and other pages, and not much about breeds. Hafwyn (talk) 16:55, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Breed History

Reverted last edit; referring all dogs breeds establishing to KC appearance does not cover the issue. “The International Encyclopedia of Dogs” contains very superficial information. --Afru (talk) 14:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree that in general, dog compendium books are nothing more than cute pictures with fairly useless text; however, this one, "The International Encyclopedia of Dogs", has credibility. Anne Rogers Clark (now deceased) was a highly respected American authority on a very large number of dog breeds. The British coauthor/editor, Andrew H. Brace, has similar standing. Together (or separately) they compare more than favourably to the Saluki magazine publisher and the Labrador retriever judge cited in the 'history' section. "The International Encyclopedia of Dogs" is as reliable a source on breeds in general as is available, although other works may go into topics of individual breeds in more depth. Hafwyn (talk) 22:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Poms and mastiffs

Pomeranians are shown in the "mastiff" group, check the source reference -- (19. Genetics and the Shape of Dogs; Studying the new sequence of the canine genome shows how tiny genetic changes can create enormous variation within a single species. American Scientist (online) page 2, chart page 4. www.americanscientist.org )

Direct link to the chart is here: http://www.americanscientist.org/template/AssetDetailNoFrame;jsessionid=aaa8n7B72M9HRB?assetId=55895

That's one of the strange - and interesting - things about the genetic studies!--Hafwyn (talk) 21:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

since someone edited the genetic information to suit their idea of what goes where several times -- missing the whole point -- I put the reference to the research in each section. Is there some way to repeat a cite (like "ibid") so that it doesn't repeat over and over in the reference section?--Hafwyn (talk) 20:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Probably a stupid question

This is probably a stupid question, but a Chihuahua couldn't breed with a Great Dane, could it? If it couldn't, doesn't that mean that the Chihuahua is a different species from a Great Dane? thanks --GMJ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.134.233 (talk) 21:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Look up species. Hybrids (the cross between two different species ) are sometimes-not always-sterile (see the article Panthera hybrid as an example). Dogs are all of the same species, Canis lupus, so two dogs of different breeds can always breed; although Great Dane puppies in a Chihuahua bitch would probably kill her, and there might be logistic problems the other way around. It's not impossible. Just unlikely.--Hafwyn (talk) 15:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)