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Where did this line come from?

"When the Democrats pushed for civil rights, the Republicans reaped the political benefits of a Southern white backlash."

The 1964 Civil Rights Act had stronger support by the Republicans in Congress then from the Democrats.

68.194.209.63 (talk) 21:10, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


could some other people help expand this topic?

signed CD (February 28, 2005)

what exactly would you like to see? it seems to have most of the relevant facts. Drewish 13:38, 2005 Feb 28 (UTC)

I want to compile a list of every person who walked out of the 1948 DNC.

signed CD

Is anyone stopping you? -- Jmabel | Talk 07:04, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

No one is stoping me but I have a limit to how much work I can do and the internet seems to have limited information on this topic.

signed CD

Sounds like time to go to the library, if you are the one who thinks this should be done. The Internet won't have any more information for someone else than it does for you. Newspapers from the time are probably what you need. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:54, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)


Hi all, I changed some stuff around in the Notable Members and Later Elections area. It sounded like someone was trying to rewrite history by saying most went to the republican party. Not true! The major players remained Democratic and served multiple terms as did the 2 Republicans. These guys had MAJOR political careers. They had power and influence some of our term-limited Senators wished they had right now.

As far as getting an actual list of walkouts - good luck, even in a library... I've come to the conclusion that the walk out created a chaotic mess and no one knew who was doing what, where, when or why... You'll have to sit through hours of reading old print material to catch just a brief mention of somebody so obscure that they're not worth mentioning anyway. The heavy hitters are the US Senators on the list.

thedrez


Thanks Jmabel for catching "Democrat Party" ===> "Democratic Party" - - - don't know what I was thinking, but "Democratic" looked wrong at the time I was writing it. BTW, I used US Senate records on most of these Senators - - where do you suggest I put "reference links" to the sites used to obtain this information. thedrez 15may05

  • Add a references section at the bottom of the article (see Wikipedia:Cite sources for explanations of appropriate citation). You'll have to use your judgment on how best to indicate what you got from where, since conventional footnoting would probably be excessive. If you used a variety of sources, you might look at RINO#Putative RINOs as a model. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:23, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fulbright

I notice that William Fulbright was removed from the list recently, anonymously, and without comment. He was certainly a segregationist senator in 1948. I don't know who he supported in the presidential election that year. Our article on him should say, but it doesn't. I'm not restoring, because I'm not sure, but someone should probably look into this. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:47, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)


Noted! Agree that he seems to have been a signer of Southern Manifesto, but I didn't find any info about affiliation with the Dixiecrats. I'm still looking. thedrez

[edit] "Became unelectable"

What is with these edits by Grazon. What is "became unelectable" supposed to mean, in encyclopedic terms? Politicians lose elections, but "unelectable" is a POV judgment. And "changed" is even more debatable as added here. I think this should be reverted, but I'll give at least 24 hours for someone else to weigh in.

Also is "thirty-five conservative delegates from Mississippi and Alabama" really right? Certainly "thirty-five segregationist delegates…", but in the South at that time, that did not necessarily neatly line up with conservatism in other senses. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:14, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree. The edits should be reverted b/c they are POV.--Alabamaboy 12:34, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for correcting my mistake. I didn't edit them the way I meant to. Best, --Alabamaboy 00:00, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dixiecrat Label

Another classic example of Wikipedia posters trying to write history to their worldview. No reputable political scientists or research uses the Dixiecrat label any longer as this article suggests. Good grief. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.219.61.10 (talk • contribs) 13 June 2006.

I agree that this label is somewhat dated and now is mostly used as an insult. Jon 21:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Senator Byrd isn't (any longer) a Dixiecrat

While (current) Senator Byrd of West Virginia may well have been a Dixiecrat early in his Senate Career, his voting record in the past two decades are way too liberal to be considered a Dixiecrat. Jon 21:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, really, no one is a Dixiecrat today. It's mainly a historical term. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:13, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
So, why is there a list of relatively recent pols listed as Dixiecrats? Biggest hoot is Jesse Helms. He was a Republican for crying out loud. Looks like Stephen Colbert was right about you people. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.152.125.33 (talk • contribs) 20 August 2006.
Helms was quite literally a Dixiecrat. He started out as a Democrat and worked for Richard Russell, Jr.'s 1952 presidential campaign. You can't get a lot more Dixiecrat than that. He only became a Republican in 1970. - Jmabel | Talk 06:15, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Supremacist

Some anon keeps removing white supremacist from the lead. The party were rather overtly supremacist: that was exactly why they left the national Democratic Party. The article completely lacks a citation apparatus, but one of the many places this could be cited from is Zachary Karabell, How Harry Truman Won the 1948 Election, Random House (2001) ISBN 978-0-375-70077-4. - Jmabel | Talk 07:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

While an argument could be made for them being racist, I would not make that the very first sentence of the article. It makes them sound like a synonym for the KKK and that white supremacy is their one special issue to the exclusion of all others. To quickly label the party with a zippy one-liner without considering the historical context is to prove the detractors of wikipedia absolutely right. Additionally you should realize that the history of the party does not start when they walk out of the democratic national convention. More importantly, the dixiecrats left the democratic party because it had changed from its initial form to a degree that the republican party was closer to southern democrats than the northern democrats were. Southern democrats would not support the republicans because of the bitter memory of radical reconstruction. Hence, the unwillingness to vote for anything named republican.

Pjanini1 23:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not terribly interested in whether it is in the lead, but it certainly belongs in the article. It was pretty central to their politics. - Jmabel | Talk 20:10, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

White Supremacy was the entire reason for this political party, although they were never overtly affiliated with the KKK. If you can't say the Dixiecrats were White Supremacists, then you can't say the Nazis were anti-Semitic -- both are simple statements of fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.67.2 (talk) 14:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay if you use your backwards logic then the Islamic / Muslim religion should be amended to read anti-Semitic. I hate it when you yankees or Confederate haters rope every single Confederate into the KKK - White Supremacy group. Sure they had members of the KKK in their short lived party, but correct me if I'm wrong didn't every political party back in that day? Heck only 20 years before the Dixiecrats the freaking President was a member of the KKK, does that mean that his party supported White Supremacy too? Dixieparty (talk) 17:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


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