Talk:Divine Heresy

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Wich fucking bastard edit the Genre to Melodic Death Metal???? This is devinitive NOT Melodic Death Metal... this is Deathcore!!!!! Wikipedia was made for information not for uncorrect bullshit!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.247.29.105 (talk) 15:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Melodic Death Metal? NO. where are the guitar harmonies? semi-harsh vocals? Divine heresy mixes industrial music with death/thrash, Dino has said that himself.

The music itself doesn't represent anything Industrial metal. I changed the genre to reflect what it really is. It has alot of metalcore influences with death metal vocals and clean harmony singing, thus melodic deathcore. -- Shatterzer0 08:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

There is no such genre. Dino has said himself its industrial/death metal. Deathcore is'nt even a genre. The guitar tone is very industrial plus the death metal blastbeats - INDUSTRIAL DEATH METAL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.32.146 (talk) 08:12, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Fact is you can't classify this under one particular genre. It's a mixture of industrial/death/metalcore. Maybe just classify it "Metal" and have a sub-section of the page explaining the style of music. Dmiles21 09:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

And you just made my point for me in a way. death metal + metalcore = deathcore. I'm still having trouble hearing the industrial style in the music, as it's just straight forward death metal/deathcore with melodic choruses that are featured on many metalcore band's albums anymore. that is the reason I classified it as melodic deathcore. in the general sense of industrial metal, I don't hear anything remotely to the tune of Fear Factory's (go figure) Demanufacture at all and that is one of the biggest albums to staple the banner of industrial to. -- Shatterzer0 20:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Shatterzer0, his point is valid. I think Dino only says that it's got industrial elements because he had that for a while with hiis last band. I've listened to the whole album and I'm doing so now, and I've yet to see any industrial elements prevalent. and to the unsigned comment three paragraphs above, deathcore IS a real subgenre, if you took the time to look at the Metalcore page, you'd understand that... InfernusBass 13:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I've edited it to say Deathcore as this best descirbes their sound and style. Do whatever you want, they're deathcore, but if people won't accept that then they won't. InfernusBass 14:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] GA nom

I looked over the article and the only thing I noticed is that Melodic Death Metal should be Melodic death metal (caps). I'm not the official reviewer but I noticed this looking through the article. Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 02:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] GA nom on hold

  • Tommy Vext - Redlink. Huzzah.
There isn't really enough information on him to create a decent article, i don't want to make one of those really bad articles with "Tommy Vext is the singer of Divine Heresy", the end.
I thought those articles were your forte...? :P — Dihydrogen Monoxide 05:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
  • "which are about personal strifes and how you overcome them" - not sure if we should use "you" in a 'pedia
Changed to "people
  • "Cazares stated the album is a "big fuck you" to the people who wants his projects to fail" - "want" or "wants" (and is that a quote?)
want and negative, no quote
This IS a quote, you can find it HERE within all the text.Killmefaster (talk) 06:03, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
  • "However, Yeung claims Roadrunner were not interested and said he did not want to be on a label that is "sort of interested, they were out of the question"" - quote introduced poorly, doesn't really make sense
Cut off the last part of the quote so it makes sense
Done

— Dihydrogen Monoxide 05:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou sir. I'll hit up the music backlog in a day or two M3tal H3ad (talk) 05:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Passed. Looking forward to it. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 05:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bassist

I know that Dino and the Static-X dude played on their debut disc, but I have one question: who's their live bassist? And is he/she a part of the band yet? Dark Executioner (talk) 16:11, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

If you read the article you would know it is Joe Payne... remember that Wikipedia is not a forum yet again... M3tal H3ad (talk) 02:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I was in a hurry that day and didn't have time to read the article. I also didn't have the album at that time, but when I bought it I saw that it was Mr. Payne. You don't have to freak out just cuz I asked a question, man. Dark Executioner (talk) 12:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't see how you had enough time to ask who the bassist was, yet didn't have enough time to look under the "Members" section. I'm not freaking out, I'm just tired of your comments never relating to improving the article. M3tal H3ad (talk) 04:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deathcore? I think not.

This band does not sound anything like deathcore. if you wanted to call them deathcore then you would have to say they sound very similar to Suicide Silence. which they DON'T. i've referenced it as melodic death metal. referenced items shouldnt be changed, seeing as it is from a reliable and notable website. this band is pretty much ungenrefieable but i can assure you deathcore is not any element of this music. Dino says that they have a lot of death metal, but not enough to be considered it, and a lot of new industrial, but not enough to be considered it, and he also says that they're just a straight up fuckin pure regular old METAL band. just METAL. nothing more. you can check all that out HERE: Interview with Dino if you have anything to add onto the genres feel more than welcome. but do not say that it is deathcore anymore unless you can find a notable reference stating so.Killmefaster (talk) 02:51, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I did. See the sources. All reliable, all verifiable. The only thing that would properly categorize them is by saying they're death metal really, as ALL sources provided in some way shape or form say death metal. Not every band has to sound similar to another to be thrust into a genre. You're saying they're melodeath, do these guys stack up to let's say...Amon Amarth or..Hypocrisy, maybe even Arch Enemy? No, not really. They feature a faster pace than what melodeath more often than not features. The only thing they really incorporate from melodeath is the clean singing which is somewhat attributed to it by other bands of the genre. I don't really feel like going into it anymore, but needless to say they are NOT melodic death metal, either. -- Shatterzer0 (talk) 03:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Well then why dont we just solve this problem, and state simply "METAL" citing the website that Dino did his interview on? it makes everything simple enough without going into drastic detail, seeing as Dino even says himself, "you can't really put a [sub]genre to this music. its just Metal"Killmefaster (talk) 03:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
That would be the most viable solution, really. As with other articles where it's hard to "peg" a certain genre to a band, or they've gone through so many (see Cradle of Filth) that they just now consider them metal. They undoubtedly are heavy metal, but it is really hard to label them without having reverts left and right. So I concede that that really is the only way to go. Maybe we should have a couple more editors join in for a consensus though, as that is more or less the way to go to prevent edit wars =/ -- Shatterzer0 (talk) 03:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree. see what you can do, cause i'm rarely ever on here, and when i am i make ravenous edits. lol. cause people tend to fuck up a lot of band/album pages. just let me know on my talk page if there is a consensus taking place and i'll gladly take part.Killmefaster (talk) 06:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

The only thing that Divine Heresy have in common with the hardcore is their breakneck speed. The music does not have mid tempo breakdowns or anything of the sort. There are even a few solos thrown in. It does share common ground with melodic death metal in the fact the choruses are sung clean. Except for that there is no reason for it to be under melodeath. It is just death metal without being 'brutal death metal' or 'technical death metal'. Undeaded (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 16:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)