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"Health risks"

Where it says drinking no soda is healthiest, it makes me wonder why. Diet soda, aside from the caffeine, is pretty much the same as water once it's been drank. So far as I'm aware, caffeine-free diet soda is as healthy and safe as water. Ralphael 21:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Probably more health risks should be added, associated with each non-water ingredient:

  • caffiene : addictive, possibly other health risks ( see Caffeine )
  • aspartame, other artificial sweetener : unknown health effects ( see Sugar substitute )
  • acid : bad for teeth --GodWasAnAlien 03:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
"Other health risks." "Unknown health effects." The technical term for these items is "making stuff up." Thanks for making your agenda crystal clear. File these under NNPOV. --Darksasami 19:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I updated the list above. I was just responding to above poster who said "diet soda is as healthy and safe as water", which is quite an amazing thing to say. --GodWasAnAlien 20:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Diet Soda has a ph level of 2.5-4.5 according to this dental page:http://www.mndental.org/classroom/grades_4_6/ . http://www.dentalgentlecare.com/diet_soda.htm shows that diet soda tends to be less acidic than its regular counter parts. That's close to the acidity of Orange Juice. yet, no one is talking about not drinking OJ because of its acidity.

I'm pulling the following statement:

During that era, diet sodas accounted for 1.5 percent of the total soda market's share.

It's unclear what it's talking about, and I don't know how to fix it, since some pedestrian research isn't finding me that 1.5% figure. What era? Surely not between 1958 and 1963, when there was only one diet soda available. If someone can fix this wording, feel free to put it back. TreyHarris 08:17, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

no study has ever been made to demonstrate percentages related to which people drink these types of sodas

This seems prima facie unreasonable, considering what big business diet beverages are. No study has ever been made of the consumer demographics of a $30B industry? Do you have any citation to back up this claim? I was tempted to just remove it. TreyHarris 09:30, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

I don't think you can

Dear Trey: Interesting questions. I got the tidbid about the 1.5 percent of the total soda market's share at a website, I dont remember which but it must have been cocacola.com or something maybe, because it is a well known fact that Tab was the first diet soda...now, I asked myself, if Tab was the first diet soda, then why did diet sodas already accoubnted for 1.5 percent of sodas?

I do admittedly make research on other sites because I want to stick to the facts. That tidbit of info seemed somewhat confusing but I included it because that was part of what I found in my research but youre right, I mean mathematically speaking it doesnt make sense that Tab, the first sugar free soda, entered at a time where 1.5 of all sodas were diet. Then, mwe have to look to see what they defined as diet sodas then, maybe they were low carb, low something but I dont know..

As far as the other statement, I , at least havent heard of any study done on consumers. I guess I assumed that companies and study makers figure these products are only drunk by diabetics and fitness conscious people I dont know.

Thanks for noticing and God bless you!

Sincerely yours, Antonio suga u up Martin!!

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[edit] Listing based on corporate parent

I think the change to, for instance, put Mountain Dew under Pepsi is wrong. The Coca-Colas go together, obviously, as do the Pepsis. But unless you're already aware that Mountain Dew is a Pepsi product, you're not going to look under Pepsi. And this list is already larger than will fit in a normal-sized screen, so scanning the entire list isn't easy. The alternative is to break the list out into a "list of" article, with cross-references, so that Mountain Dew can go both under 'M' and under 'P'. Dale Arnett, would you mind reverting your change, or do you disagree with my reasoning here? --TreyHarris 21:20, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

There's probably a way to organize them to make them easier to read and/or cross reference them. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 02:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diet vs Lite

Would it be necessary to mention that in America sodas cannot be listed as "lite" due to "lite" being the beer equivalent of "diet"?

[edit] Diet Soft Drink

This page should be moved to Diet Soft Drink, with Diet Soda as a redirect. This is a more generic name, and is more dialect-neutral. --68.0.212.218 18:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC) Joe

I agree, especially now that the page has been marked as US-centric. Does anyone object to the page move? Confiteordeo 19:55, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List vs Table?

Would it make sense to convert the list of drinks per sweetener to a table of drinks that use each sweetener?

It would be similar to this:

  sweetener 1 sweetener 2 sweetener 3 sweetener 4
drink 1 yes no no no
drink 2 yes no no no
drink 3 yes no no no

... and so on and so forth. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dimwell (talk • contribs) 04:19, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Stevia

Are there any sodas made with stevia Puddytang 18:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flawed Article

I'm removing the statement "While these drinks are often marketed to those who are weight conscious, no published study has shown that drinking diet soda will cause a person to lose weight." This statement is misleading. First of all, there is NO drink out there that CAUSES people to lose weight. The only things that cause people to lose weight are activity and a lack of eating. However, considering that diet soda has less calories (typically zero) than regular soda, the calories are less and this makes weight loss easier for regular soda drinkers.Kakomu 15:07, 28 August 2007 (UTC) I've read the article further and I find most of the findings to be specious. First, there is the flawed test group, where about 60 percent of the people in the study were an abnormal weight (compared to 30% for the national average), and an astounding 70-80% of their test group became overweight by the end of the study. Second, the conclusions they draw appear to confuse causation and correlation. lastly, the sports nutritionist appears to confuse the actual definition of diet. "People often mistake diet drinks for diets, says Bonci, director of sports nutrition at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center and nutrition consultant to college and professional sports teams and to the Pittsburgh Ballet." Since a diet (in the meaning they intended) is a reduction in caloric intake and an increase in healthier foods, switching from regular soda to diet soda is, in fact, a reduction of caloric intake (all things held the same). I would say that this article should be removed from Wikipedia's article, simply because it is horribly flawed.Kakomu 21:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I think you were right in removing that leading sentence,
but the reference to the University of Texas study should remain.
While the University of Texas study mentioned on WebMD may not be perfect, It does address an important issue: The effectiveness of Diet soda for a diet.
As for supposed confusion of causation and correlation,
"Fowler is quick to note that a study of this kind does not prove that diet soda causes obesity."
Concerning supposed confusion of the diet drinks and diets, well I think the quote is relevant, and I don't see a problem. "People often mistake diet drinks for diets". "Diet" is the sum of consumed food. "Dieting" means regulating food intake or regulating ones diet (sum of consumed food) to achieve some objective. I believe the quote is saying that just drinking diet soda is not exactly regulating ones total diet. I switched to drinking diet soda with my cheeseburgers, but the scale keeps going up....
If someone has a reference to a a better article than WebMD on this study, or better study (even one that shows that diet soda actually helps with dieting), that would be helpful to mention. GodWasAnAlien (talk) 08:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

For anybody that wants to add this to the chart on the page - diet lipton green tea has aspartame and acesulfame potassium. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Defono47 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC)