Talk:Di indigetes
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Where does Aradia come in? Can someone provide evidence that Aradia was worshipped in Classical Roman religion?
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[edit] Juno
Livy tells us that Juno was a Veian goddess who was formally introduced into the Roman pantheon when Veii was conquered, thus, she was an Etruscan deity originally. Does she really belong in this list?
- I do not believe that most contemporary mythologists agree with Livy's assessment, and I know there are at least a fair number of sources that list Juno as one of the earlier Roman gods (hence why Iuno is believed by many authorities to be of Indo-European derivation); see the Juno (mythology) page. However, I can't see any reason whatsoever that such information can't be included on the page. The worst thing this page can do is make POVed, Original-Research, arbitrary decisions about exactly which gods do or don't belong on the page behind the scenes. What we should do instead is provide sources supporting each individual included on the list (and sources contradicting such assessments too, where they exist), and explain when there's a disagreement over where a god originates. As it stands, this page is currently almost entirely useless: its inconsistent (at the top it claims that Ops is one of the indigetes, but Ops isn't actually on the list!), completely unreferenced, and totally unexplained. In addition to adding references, clarifying exactly what an "indigetes" is (the current explanation at the top of the page is both poor and biased, reflecting only one interpretation of the original meaning) and explaining when there's disagreement between reputable sources over a deity rather than just deciding where to include or exclude the entry. Additionally, a major problem with this page is the lack of description for each entry, making the list useless to anyone who doesn't want to waste hours visiting each individual entry, in most cases just to find a basic, simplistic stub. A much more efficient would be one more like that used in Etruscan mythology, the Latin di indigetes page, etc., where instead of having hundreds of isolated stub islets, we centralize the information on a single, organized list and only have distinct articles for the really noteworthy Di indigetes—the ones who have a genuine chance of ever expanding beyond stubhood, like Angerona. I've been experimenting with a few possible formats for such a table recently, on User:Silence/Deae (it's almost entirely lacking the end-information, but it should give the right idea). -Silence 11:50, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Is this original?
Was this classification used by the Romans or is it a later ellaboration by Wissowa?
- It's a Latin term. How they used it I don;t think we know. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jana
I have removed a redlink for Jana (mythology). If evidence of this person (a doublet of Janus?) show up, please write her article. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Roman gods who adopted Greek myths but were originally personifications
We have Jupiter/Jove, who adopted Zeus' mythology on the list. Why are Vulcan, Venus, Saturnus etc. omitted? They are widely believed to have indigenous Latin or at least pre-Greek roots (the name etymologies are not loans of their Greek equivalent in any event, even if they share similar Indo-European language roots). Nagelfar 01:16, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'm uncertain what this article is actually trying to do. Indiges is a Latin epithet applied by ancient sources to various deities; one would expect the article to discuss possible meanings of the term and perhaps to list gods who receive the epithet. However, this article starts by asserting Wissowa's explanation of the term, then states that this is no longer widely accepted but that his classification of native vs. imported divinities "remains useful". It proceeds to give what you seem, reasonably enough, to be taking as a list of native divinities, though it doesn't actually say that this is what's being listed.
- I don't want to criticise your attempt to expand this into a list of "indigenous deities", but in my opinion, if we need such a list, it belongs on a different page and should be rewritten from scratch with references to modern scholars to avoid original research. If we include a list of deities here, it should be those identified by ancient sources (or possibly by modern scholars) as di indigetes. EALacey 17:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I think maybe this one page could cover the list in every respect (historically attested to by the term "di indigetes", modern derivation as "indigenous", and those under Wissowa's definition) grouping each one as such. I don't think a separate page for each consideration could stand on its own, they'd probably be merged in some respect. If others had a definitive source for these three differences, maybe they could help by contributing information. Nagelfar 19:33, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Neptune
I added Neptune, but I wonder if the word itself is Etruscan from Nethuns or if they have a common origin. Maybe it should be removed. Also, Mercurius may not have been an old latin god, but that isn't saying he wasn't indigenous as a newer personification of several older gods. I think I will add mercury as a "newer" indigenous deity. Nagelfar 17:16, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- After some reflection it seems if we remove Neptune, we'd by the same logic have to remove Vertumnus & probably some others. Though this might be what has to be done. Nagelfar 19:37, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Poena
Poena was adopted from Greek Mythology and her name is etymologically Greek. See here: http://www.theoi.com/Daimon/Poine.html -- 70.57.146.137 (talk) 05:39, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
