Talk:Dhampir

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This article was nominated for deletion on 25 August 2005. The result of the discussion was keep.

My theory is that Professor Snape is a Dhampir. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.172.142.65 (talk • contribs) .

Give me strength. I thought this was a serious work? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.65.185.161 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Remove the clean-up

Is seems cleaned-up enough for me. Reply to David Latapie 21:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

This article is full of utter nonsense. Where can I find this "roma folklore" that tells us about dhampirs? If there are no citable sources, the word and its origin could just be made up. --130.83.117.163 10:03, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

The solution to this entry is pretty simple. Set a time limit (I am writing this on January 3, 2006, so let's say April 1) for ANYONE to find a reference to the word "Dhampir" from before 1980. If no such entry can be found, the romanticists admit that the word was made up for "Vampire Hunter D" and word goes into the same classification as "hobbit". I like the concept; I think the entry should be here, but I am reasonably sure it is a fiction based word, and should be labelled as such. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Unclehyena (talk • contribs) .

T. P. Vukanović published a four-part article on vampires in 1957-59; it includes the only original research on dhampir beliefs that I have been able to find. (And I've looked in the obvious places, including Montague Summers's books on vampires, Were-Wolf and Vampire in Romania by Senn, Vampires of the Carpathians by Bogatyrëv, and various anthologies on Eastern European lore edited by Jan Perkowski.) Only a small part of Vukanović's article is devoted to dhampir beliefs. I've added three paragraphs under "Legends" that pretty well summarize the dhampir-relevant information in the article. Much of what it replaced apparently was based on the White Wolf universe. Maybe a writeup on World of Darkness/Kindred of the East dhampyrs would be appropriate also?TheCert 02:55, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

The Vampire Encyclopedia by Michael Bunson (ISBN 0-517-16206-7) on pages 65 & 69 attributes it as a name given by Slavonic Gypsies to the child of a vampire. Goes on to describe the basic properties of a dhampir, the believed prowess of hunting vampires, the ritual of hunting vampires and states that the last known vampire hunting cerimony performed by a dhampir as being held in 1959 in Kosovo. He doesn't have a direct cite for any of those assertions but most of the books he lists as references he used to prepare his book are prior to 1980. -- Greyed (talk) 19:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Added a section on Kindred of the East dhampyrs. This universe is likely the source of beliefs that dhampirs grow up emotionally disturbed, that most pregnancies of dhampirs do not come to term, etc. Since the universe is fictional, I added this section after rather than before the "False dhampirs" section, even though I strongly suspect "False dhampirs" is based chiefly or entirely on the Saga of the Noble Dead novels by Barb & J.C. Hendee. —TheCert 14:15, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

In the Fiction section, how about Connor from Angel? Darla was reserected as human when Connor was concieved, and a Vampire when he was born, and had the vampire strengths and abilities.

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i am a huge angel fan and i have to say the whole angel darla thing was a shocker! and i think that they may or may not have considered conner a dhampir. she was converted while she was pregnant and if you remember conner had a soul and correct me if i'm wrong but other then that movie "blood rayne" i havent heard of a dhampir having a soul! unless of course the human in it alowed it to have a soul,but other then that if anyone can show me were it says dahmpirs have souls please do...because i am curious to know weather or not thet do!

Actually, Darla was impregnated in "Reprise", which was after her re-siring by Drusilla. Angel and Darla did not have sex while she was human. -- Noneofyourbusiness 20:45, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moved from article

[edit] Origin of the word

"Dhamphir" is the Roman transliteration of ذمثير, the closest Arabic script (as was traditionally used in the Muslim Balkan areas) approximation of the the Serbian word "vampir", which itself derived from the original Slavonic "upir". In non-muslim comunities the dhampir male was more specifically known as łampijerowić, literally meaning "vampire's son".^{[citation needed]}

I absolutely fail to see the logic of this. Do we have to assume that Serbian gypsies learned the word for "vampire" by reading a document about Serbian folk belief written in the Arabic script, so they didn't know how it was pronounced? --91.148.159.4 21:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Dont get confused friend. Dhamphir has a totally Arabic phonology not a slavonic one, Vampir on the other hand has a totally slavonic phonology not an Arabic one. If we don't include the phonology we might as well write another article under a different name. However, it is highly dubious that a foreign word like this should even have an article of its own in English according to Wikipedia naming conventions. If it is about half-vampires, then the English article should be entitles Half-vampires (folklore) and Dhamphir should appear as one of the many words for such in different languages.82.6.114.172 11:59, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

You still haven't cited a source, and I don't find your linguistic considerations convincing. "dh" (as a voiced aspirated stop consonant) sounds like Sanskrit (thus, possibly, Romani); "dh" as a voiced dental fricative could well be (Kosovo) Albanian; both explanations seem more reasonable than Kosovo gypsies using Arabic phonology. And you still haven't explained how my edits are POV or unsourced, as you stated on my talk page. As for the title, the term dhampir is the one that has been borrowed and popularized in English and is used in vampire fiction, so it seems reasonable to use it as title. --91.148.159.4 12:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm taking no answer as consent and reverting to my version.--91.148.159.4 23:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Well I always thought that the origin of the word may be Albanian because of the word "Dham(b)" which in Albanian means "Teeth" and the word "Pir" which in means to drink ( this is in slavic languages too, the verb "Piti") hence the word "the creature that drinks blood with it's teeth". It's only a suggestion. 82.114.66.150 (talk) 09:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)