Template talk:Deserts
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Does the Arctic Archipelago in northern Canada qualify as a cold desert region? If not, why? Nicholas GunnThewayofthegunn 20:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
perhaps the deserts here should be grouped by continent or other like geographic entity? 24.218.100.40 15:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Re-write
I'm working on a re-write of the desert template here. I'd appreciate some assistance. Just fix it yourself or leave a comment on the page below the template. Thanks. :) vıdıoman (talk • contribs) 03:31, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Nice work
You've all done some nice work here. I added the template to the Black Rock Desert page. Ikluft (talk) 23:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] autocollapse behavior
OK, I reverted a fellow editor's change so I owe an explanation here. A change was made to force Template:Deserts to always collapse, with the reason being because it's so large. It isn't a problem that the navbox is large - they're intended for navigation and there are a lot of related places to navigate to. But it can be a confusing problem for readers when navboxes don't behave consistently - it makes Wikipedia look inconsistent to them. WP:NAVBOX says autocollapse is the expected behavior for navboxes. On pages with multiple navboxes, such as Great Basin and Black Rock Desert, they'll all collapse automatically anyway unless specifically given a parameter not to. However, on pages with just this navbox, especially Deserts but also any of them with no other navboxes, it's part of the expected presentation for it to be expanded. A single collapsed navbox is not a common sight on Wikipedia. We have to take the wider view when editing templates and consider as many as possible of the pages which use it. If the size of the navbox is determined by discussion to be a big issue, then a better solution would be to break it up into templates of Deserts by continent, rather than be inconsistent with other navboxes. Ikluft (talk) 11:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
- My problem was that several articles on deserts are very short (i.e. stubs) and the navbox is more than double the size of the text itself (see Oltenian Sahara as one example). I don't see a problem with it being collapsed when it is the only template on the page. пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:33, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
- I made this template and was planning to eventually get around to making it region specific. For example, on an article for the Gobi desert, only deserts in Asia would appear listed, the others would be hidden. I don't know if I'll have the time but if someone else wants to do it that would be greatly appreciated. :) See Template:Numbertreaty for an example. Also, the standard navbox colour is that blueish purple colour; I chose orange because it's deserty but that can be reset if you feel it is necessary to do so. vıdıoman 17:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
- That template is an excellent example - I shall have a go at that if no-one objects. Also, I think the colour is fine - most approoriate for the subject! пﮟოьεԻ 57 17:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
- No objection here. It sounds like we're in agreement that reorganizing it by region is a better approach. I have no strong preference for the exact implementation - separate templates by region or one template that displays one region at a time. I'm swamped until Monday but may be able to help after that if still needed. Note for Vidioman - I think you made a good choice on the color. Ikluft (talk) 08:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- After reading this discussion about the navbox being perceived as too large, I've noticed a number of other navbox templates are as big as this one. For example, Template:Protected_Areas_of_Nevada or Template:SFBAtransit are among them. I think that's just the direction Wikipedia is headed - navboxes will grow as they facilitate navigation among a greater number of articles. No big deal. So it's probably not worth the effort to optimize the Deserts navbox to show only one continent at a time. Rather, a better use of volunteer time and effort would be to expand the articles that look too small with this template in them. At least don't worry about it. Ikluft (talk) 03:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, and it's nothing compared to Template:Protected Areas of California. Ikluft (talk) 03:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
- That template is an excellent example - I shall have a go at that if no-one objects. Also, I think the colour is fine - most approoriate for the subject! пﮟოьεԻ 57 17:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
- I made this template and was planning to eventually get around to making it region specific. For example, on an article for the Gobi desert, only deserts in Asia would appear listed, the others would be hidden. I don't know if I'll have the time but if someone else wants to do it that would be greatly appreciated. :) See Template:Numbertreaty for an example. Also, the standard navbox colour is that blueish purple colour; I chose orange because it's deserty but that can be reset if you feel it is necessary to do so. vıdıoman 17:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
