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Desperation is a feeling you get when you are in a state of despair. It is not a positive feeling and causes a lot of internal anxiety. Frequently, in common language, people who are trying too much and incessantly to reach someone who is unavailabe (be it a friend or prospective lover) are called "desperate".
I love irony. "So we're really talking miniseries here," Johnny said. "Night One is the Lusham Brothers, Night Two is Josephone, the Footloose Receptionist. They'll love it at ABC." ---Desperation, Stephen King
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[edit] ini?
As a further possible connection to the Dark Tower series the "ini" could possibly be a shortening of "thinny". Or alternately "thinny" could be colloquial for the older term "ini".
This connection, though purely speculative, would make sense as both seem to work as gateways through which malign forces of some sort manifest in the world. Also it would be far from the first time King used word-play in Dark Tower related books.
--Peter K. 04:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] desperation/regulators covers
added an image of the 2 books side by side to both this article and the stub for the Regulators. --Stickmangrit 02:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
It has been suggested that this Article be merged into a series of larger ones (suggested that the Article "Johnny Marinville" be merged into "Desperation.")
I'd advise against it for two reasons;
one, IMO the article on the book "Desperation" should stick mainly to the events that transpire, not necessarily the charcters within it;
and
two, there is already a separate section for "Stephen King Characters" (and what an undertsking that is going to turn out to be when all is said and done!!)
discuss!!
Thanos777 19:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dark Tower connections
When David is having his dream there are numerous references to Bear Street. Could this be another DT tie-in referring to the Bear/Turtle (Shardik/Maturin) beam?
-- Torouse 21:39, 1 February 2007 (UTC) torouse
- Its kind of a stretch.--CyberGhostface 21:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- If you think that's stretching it, how about this? In the DT series we find out that, "All things serve the beam." In "It" the Turtle actually talks and gives guidance. With those two points in mind, is it too much of a stretch to believe that David's 'God' is actually the Bear (Beam) Shardik? -- Torouse 15:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC) torouse
- Two different things. Saying that a street being called "Bear Street" is a connection to Shardik and therefore David's God is a crazy cyborg bear (which is what Shardik was) is different than the use of the Turtle in both Dark Tower and It.--CyberGhostface 20:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- I'm using Shardik in the 'Voice of the Beam' sense as opposed to the crazy cyborg bear sense. Remember, each Beam was named after the Guardian that was made to guard the generators (although the Beams far pre-dated both the Guardians and the generators). I think in that sense it is not unreasonable to suppose that the Beams (and by extention the Dark Tower itself) could be considered 'God-like' driving force. At one point the gunslingers (and Sheemie) view the Beam as a beat-up child. Is it completely unreasonable then to think that the Beam may call itself 'God' and enlist the help of a child and his companions to do away with a threat to a certain reality? Isn't it just like SK to leave a clue as to the real identity of David's 'Land of the Dead' tour-guide by showing us that they are on Bear Street? I could be completely off base (and probably am), but you have to admit, the pieces do fit together in a wierd way :) -- Torouse 20:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC) torouse
- Again, I don't see the connection. If you do, fine, but Wikipedia is for solid facts and not just "I think so"s. As for my opinion, I think David Carver's God was just that...God, as in the Biblical sense. Religion and faith was a large part of the story, so I don't think King would write it off as merely the beam intervening.--CyberGhostface 20:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- I'm using Shardik in the 'Voice of the Beam' sense as opposed to the crazy cyborg bear sense. Remember, each Beam was named after the Guardian that was made to guard the generators (although the Beams far pre-dated both the Guardians and the generators). I think in that sense it is not unreasonable to suppose that the Beams (and by extention the Dark Tower itself) could be considered 'God-like' driving force. At one point the gunslingers (and Sheemie) view the Beam as a beat-up child. Is it completely unreasonable then to think that the Beam may call itself 'God' and enlist the help of a child and his companions to do away with a threat to a certain reality? Isn't it just like SK to leave a clue as to the real identity of David's 'Land of the Dead' tour-guide by showing us that they are on Bear Street? I could be completely off base (and probably am), but you have to admit, the pieces do fit together in a wierd way :) -- Torouse 20:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC) torouse
- Two different things. Saying that a street being called "Bear Street" is a connection to Shardik and therefore David's God is a crazy cyborg bear (which is what Shardik was) is different than the use of the Turtle in both Dark Tower and It.--CyberGhostface 20:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- If you think that's stretching it, how about this? In the DT series we find out that, "All things serve the beam." In "It" the Turtle actually talks and gives guidance. With those two points in mind, is it too much of a stretch to believe that David's 'God' is actually the Bear (Beam) Shardik? -- Torouse 15:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC) torouse
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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Desperationbook.jpg
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