Talk:Democratic Movement (France)

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[edit] Christian democracy

I'd like to add "Christian democracy" to the political ideology section. Any objections? Soviet Canuckistan 02:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I find to difficult to understand in what sense MoDem could be christian-democratic. It is not member of EPP, and, most of all, the party is very socially liberal on moral issues. Also on the economic ground, MoDem is to the left of any christian-democratic party in Europe. Finally I underline that most Christian Democrats within UDF switched to UMP in 2002 and the remaining ones left UDF in order to form PSLE-NC this year. The party has a centrist and social liberal platform and, although some of his members are devoute Catholics (as the leader Bayrou), this doesn't mean that they are also Christian Democrats (Bayrou, who was once leader of CDS/FD, the christian-democratic party successor to MRP, is hardly a Christian Democrat himself). For all these reasons I oppose the addition of "Christian democracy" to the political ideology section. --Checco 12:24, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I see your point. Sorry for not asking before I added it the first time.

Just out of curiosity, how does Christian democracy differ from traditional conservatism? Soviet Canuckistan 21:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

It differs from it for many reasons: first of all traditional conservatives tended and tend to be secular, while Christian Democrats generally support Christian values in politics. --Checco 23:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I dunno. I think Checco's reasoning is mistaken (a party that splits from a christian-democratic party (UDF), has conservative stances like opposition to gay marriage (marriage is between a man and woman) and is a member of the EDP, of which the Belgian MCC and the Italian Daisy are also member can be Christian Democratic). But I found no good reason to classify it as such. C mon 08:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

UDF is not a christian-democratic party and MoDem is formed by those members of UDF who are more distant to Christian democracy. Anyway very few parties in Europe support gay marriage and I don't think that the issue is so important to identify a party as christian-democratic or not. For example in Italy also DS oppose gay marriage and the Labour Party of Ireland doesn't campaign in favour of abortion. Can we state that also these parties are socially conservative? I don't think so. In the end I would like you to notice that MoDem is generally socially liberal and Bayrou is open to adoption by gays, supports the Pacs and defends women' right to choose. Also MCC is socially liberal on these issues, while DL, despite the presence of a small faction of social conservatives, is overwhelmingly in favour of Pacs in a conservative country where such a position is undoubtely out of the mainstream. I find difficult also to describe DL as christian-democratic, but it is true that DL, differently from MoDem, has strong ties wuth some Catholic associations and with representatives of the episcopate. In the end, anyway, I aggree with C mon: there is no reason to classify MoDem as christian-democratic. --Checco 09:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

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