- User:SchmuckyTheCat/List of borderless countries (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (restore|cache|AfD)
This page was originally in the main namespace. It was moved to the user space for the sake of killing it. Upon undeletion it should also be moved back to List of borderless countries. Testaa (talk) 23:28, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
- comment Some explanation of the history here would be helpful. Was there a deletion discussion? If so, where? And if there was such a discussion why should we overturn it. We need more context. JoshuaZ (talk) 00:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- There's no deletion discussion that I could find. It appears that SchmuckyTheCat had this in his userspace, moved it out, moved it back to his userspace, and then had it U1 deleted and replaced the mainspace redirect with a redirect to List of island countries. I don't know why he did that, but the cached version notes that List of island countries has all of the relevant information from this article, and that appears to be correct. It doesn't appear that Schmucky was notified of this review, so I'm off to do that now. — Gavia immer (talk) 13:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
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- They were two lists. One of the lists refers to countries which have no land border with any other countries at all, and the other list refers to those lie entirely on islands. He merged the two lists without any discussion. He then moved the one he wanted to be dead to his own user space, for the sake of killing it and burying its edit history. Testaa (talk) 18:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- I didn't perform the merge, afaik. You're a sockpuppet, why are you not banned yet? SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
- You yourself was not the first person who perform the merge. But you and Huaiwei, as the edit history of List of island countries reveals, were the only people who supported the merge. You and Huaiwei were the only people to revert edits that undid the merge. SilkTork just left after he performed the merge. Testaa (talk) 22:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- Nothing to see here, move along. User:Testaa is banned User:Instantnood. The article "list of borderless countries" is a POV fork of List of island countries. The article was a redirect to list of island countries and had been for a long time (I want to say two years), a situation that developed a long time ago by other users on the talk pages of the articles. I had the original content in my user space, also for a very long time, to avoid the move wars and un-redirecting that this banned users socks would perform in main articlespace. This current sock incarnation convinced an admin to move the userspace version back to mainspace over the redirect. I restored everything as redirects and deleted it so the socks wouldn't have an attack target. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
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- Yeah, that sounds like a clear "keep deleted" then. So, keep deleted. — Gavia immer (talk) 21:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- Two years? I took a look at [1] a version in early May 2007. The list was by then strictly referring to island countries not borderless countries. Furthermore the List of borderless countries, as much as I can recall from what I read before it was speedied in the user space, was not a POV fork. It coexisted with the List of island countries for a long time before they were merged. SchmuckyTheCat is clearly a liar. Testaa (talk) 22:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- Overturn, restore in main and list at AFD Moving a mainspace article that other users have worked on and then deleting it as a U1 is not what CSD is for. Please list at AFD and do it properly. Also, if you have evidence that Testaa is Instantnood then file an SSP. Spartaz Humbug! 06:57, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
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- What article? The content in mainspace was a redirect and has been since forever. The content in my userspace was a POV fork of "List of island countries" that the sockpuppets MOVED to mainspace over the redirect. The redirect still exists, nothing was removed from mainspace. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
- Auto-GFDL Overturn and restore to mainspace Even SchmuckyTheCat acknowledges above that content from this article was merged to List of island countries; that merged content went in in this diff. For GFDL reasons, we absolutely must undelete this content; it may not be deleted even after an AFD if one is held. I find no prior consensus discussion about whether to merge or not, nor about whether the mainspace title should be a redirect or not. Consensus should be sought on these matters instead of edit warring over them, with protection if it is needed after a community consensus is reached. GRBerry 18:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- What? No he doesn't. Quote: "The article "list of borderless countries" is a POV fork of List of island countries." emphasis mine. The borderless list was split from the island list, not the reverse, so there's no GFDL issue here. -- Kesh (talk) 16:32, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
- Unless you can find when the material merged in the diff I cited actually originated in a differemt article, your statement is false. I pointed to a diff of the merge; you can look for yourself to see that the merge happened. I am an admin and can see that it came out of the article now deleted in userspace. This is wrong and means the deleted page must be undeleted and moved back to mainspace. Nor can it be deleted unless List of island countries is first deleted. {{R from merge}} is the template to put on the redirect if a consensus for redirection is ever created. GRBerry 02:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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