MediaWiki talk:Deletereason-dropdown

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[edit] Purpose

Now that we have this, would we like to pick some of my reasons and put them in? Some of them could be pretty standard and accepted (copyvio, attack, some of the image and category ones). ^demon[omg plz] 12:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I have added some which I feel are the most common, avoiding images as these deletions are very often script-based. GDonato (talk) 18:40, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I've disabled my script so we don't get extra stuff cluttering the page. ^demon[omg plz] 01:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CSD G6: Making way for an uncontroversial move

I'm not sure that one is needed, since the software automatically deletes the destination page when you move a page on top of the other (Deleted to make way for move). Honestly, I can't think of much G6 that are repetitive enough to be in the DropDown. -- lucasbfr talk 10:04, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually there is other widely used CSD G6 action - history merges... But I kind of agree, when CSD G6 is used, you probably want to either use the default message or explain it better in the delete reason anyway. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 11:19, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List item titles as opposed to source in list, expand list

I must admit, for all that this is a welcome improvement to the Mediawiki delete interface, it breaks a lot of functionality for me. There are a couple of relatively small changes, which would probably make the list much nicer to use, of which I can think immediately. Since this page now affects anyone, I am unlikely to be bold about it.

  1. Custom titles for each element in the list should be allowed (it appears that they are currently not), and for speedy deletions, should begin with the letter-number of the reason (e.g. "A7") so that reasons can be quickly selected using the keyboard rather than the mouse (I used to press tab-tab-g-1-return for obvious nonsense deletes. That is much more effective than selecting the list, scrolling to G1, releasing, and pressing enter). This is one of the things that really bothers me, since it greatly limits the effectiveness of the drop-down list in making (my, at least) deletions more efficient, and this page breaks CSDAR in respects of quick use (tab order).
  2. We should have all of the speedy deletion criteria available rather than just a selection, and preferably also sub-reasons for some others like is currently being done for CSD A7: User:Nihiltres/monobook.js contains the value table that I left lying around from CSDAR because it includes custom reasons that would make more sense to newbies, such as a CSD G7 sub-reason "CSD G7 (blanking): New page blanked by author" as opposed to "CSD G7: Author requests deletion".

These are a couple of things that, in my opinion, would vastly improve this new feature. While #1 will require a feature request, #2 is simple as long as there are no technical reasons for keeping the list short. Of course, this is my opinion, so I'd like to see what other people think as well - I would prefer not to make what I see as an improvement only to have it frustrate another. Please give your opinion - this is a new feature that we can all work to improve. :) Nihiltres{t.l} 14:37, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please add

CSD G4 (Recreation of deleted content) and CSD R1 (Redirect to non-existent page). Also, image related reasons may be quite helpfull. — Edokter • Talk • 19:57, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

With regard to the image delete reasons... I see the drop box doesn't appear on image delete pages. — Edokter • Talk • 20:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Garion added the image delete reasons, but there is still no drop-down box on the image delete page. — Edokter • Talk • 14:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, didn't realised that. I just checked a random page to see if it worked. Did not not expect that it wouldn't work on images. Anyone knows how (if) to fix this? Garion96 (talk) 14:20, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
I added R1 SQLQuery me! 14:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. — Edokter • Talk • 20:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Love it!

I've been using cut & paste from User:SkierRMH/My Admin Sandbox - would like to see the "Images" added:

Numbers 1 & 8 need name of specific redundant/duplicate image added SkierRMH (talk) 23:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

The dropdown box does not appear for image deletion, so adding image CSDs would be useless. —Random832 14:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Non specific A7

I would suggest a general A7 for non-notability not covered by the specific drop down list. The details can be covered it the summary box. LessHeard vanU 09:50, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] For whatever it's worth...

...I've used the following reasons in the GreaseMonkey CSD script - specifically, I broke down CSD A7, I2 and I3:

  • [[WP:CSD#A7|Criterion A7 for speedy deletion]] - The article makes no assertion of [[WP:N|notability]] regarding the subject
  • [[WP:CSD#A7|Criterion A7 for speedy deletion]] - The article makes no assertion of [[WP:BIO|notability]] regarding this person
  • [[WP:CSD#A7|Criterion A7 for speedy deletion]] - The article makes no assertion of [[WP:ORG|notability]] regarding this organisation
  • [[WP:CSD#A7|Criterion A7 for speedy deletion]] - The article makes no assertion of [[WP:MUSIC|notability]] regarding this musical group
  • [[WP:CSD#A7|Criterion A7 for speedy deletion]] - The article makes no assertion of [[WP:CORP|notability]] regarding this company
  • [[WP:CSD#A7|Criterion A7 for speedy deletion]] - The article makes no assertion of [[WP:WEB|notability]] regarding this web site
  • [[WP:CSD#I2|Criterion I2 for speedy deletion]] - Missing or corrupt file.
  • [[WP:CSD#I2|Criterion I2 for speedy deletion]] - Missing file; image namespace page for an image hosted on Commons.
  • [[WP:CSD#I3|Criterion I3 for speedy deletion]] - Image for non-commercial use only.
  • [[WP:CSD#I3|Criterion I3 for speedy deletion]] - Image use approved for Wikipedia only.

Any thoughts on whether or not it would be a good idea to add them here too? I personally found this very handy. Also, I think the autogenerated messages should use the longer text form, like above - newbies might not get the mysterious abbreviations, linked or not, and I'm in favour of actually legible deletion logs... --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 18:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I have no idea why this list wasn't created with all of the article and general criteria - that's what it should probably contain. If no one objects, I'd like to make the list more or less complete for the speedy deletion criteria at least, including some common good-form criteria like CSD G6 for page moves, et cetera. If you object, I'd like to know: why should we keep this list short? Nihiltres{t.l} 14:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I would object to significantly lengthening the general and article sections so that people don't have to scroll to get to half of the article criteria (if we use more A7 reasons). A7 is used a lot more than G5 and G9 (which can only be used by a handful of people). I would support putting multiple A7 reasons back in though. Perhaps the less used reasons (G5, G9, A2, etc) should go on the bottom if we want it to be complete but still have all the common ones as easily accessible as possible. Mr.Z-man 19:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm definitely in favour of the longer form. Practically, I've not had any problems using the big list in GreaseMonkey (if I had had any problems with it I would not have proposed the addition =). Please consider this: Yes, it's going to be a little bit annoying for admins to pick the correct criterion from the list before hitting delete - the grand decisions of life are always hampered by little things... but in the end, the log entry will be sitting there until the heat-death MySQL codebase (circa 9999-02-31 =), and it's the end users who get burned if the log entry isn't clear, specific and readable. Always think of the newbies who have to figure out the answer to the question "why the heck was this article deleted". =) This is why my messages versions of the messages, above, are verbose (i.e. "CSD" spelled out) and specific (with links to the notability criteria in question). Just a thought - I believe we can find the proper balance for these! --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 03:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

OK, since the image delete page does not display the dropdown box, we'll have to ask a developer to implement it on that page as well. In anticipation, I've created MediaWiki:Deleteimagereason-dropdown and put the image reasons section in there. Now, how can we ping a developer? — Edokter • Talk • 20:16, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

One word: Bugzilla. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 11:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Done! — Edokter • Talk • 15:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

It has been implemented in release 20122. The image delete reason dropdown text is now at MediaWiki:Filedelete-reason-dropdown. I don't know when it will be life yet. — Edokter • Talk • 16:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Note

The reason in the text box is appended to the end of the one selected from the dropdown, so reasons that require additional information could be added to the list. (also, this also means information that should not be in the deletion log still must be removed, for e.g. attack pages - I added a warning to that effect on the deletion page a few days ago) —Random832 14:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A7 now too long

The recent change made A7 WAAAY too wide for most browsers. Any chance on a compromise on the text? The long one says:

Article on person|group|organization|web content; doesn't indicate importance/significance

The version before that says:

Article does not indicate subject's importance or significance

Do we really need the explicit "person|group|organization|web content"? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

No. I say we go back to the old summaries. — Edokter • Talk • 20:22, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blanking other/additional reason box

Is there a way that when you select an autoreason it blanks the other/additional reason box. When I pick an autoreason I don't want that info in the log and to delete it by hand every time is kind of annoying. See also this discussion on the original script discussion page. Garion96 (talk) 10:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Very easy to do with a userscript. One could also add litle (x) button to blank that with a click. BTW, I also happen to have a sript that generates automatic summary preview, for those who like detailed explanations that do not always fit ∴ AlexSm 20:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A way to hide it?

Is there a way to hide it? I don't use the menu, and it messes my browser up. Maxim(talk) 19:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Sure, simply add #wpDeleteReasonListRow {display:none} to your personal CSS file (by default to monobook.css) ∴ AlexSm 21:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I also recommend the following CSS for any admin, this should hide labels "Reason for deletion" and "Other/additional reason:" on the left, making more room for the reason field ∴ AlexSm 21:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
#wpDeleteReasonListRow td label,
#wpDeleteReasonRow td label {display:none}
#wpReason {width:100%}

[edit] Prod/XfD

It would be sensible to include Prod and XfD as deletion reasons. Those two should be separate, but should AfD/CfD/MfD/TfD have a separate entry? violet/riga (t) 11:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

For deletion most admins link to the related discussion page. A prod deletion must state the reason why the article was deleted, usually the nominator's reasoning. An auto deletion summary would not be helpful in those cases. Garion96 (talk) 23:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, and that should still be encouraged, and choosing XfD as a deletion reason should complement that rather than replace it. violet/riga (t) 09:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deprecated?

It appears that the deletion reasons system has changed - is this now deprecated? violet/riga (t) 09:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

It's been replaced by JavaScript (imho without imho any good reason), see MediaWiki talk:Sysop.js#Deletion dropdown list ∴ AlexSm 16:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Script

I'm working on a script that not only automatically clears the box when an item is selected, but also automatically selects an item from the list if a deletion tag is found in the content. This will probably be accompanied by an expansion of the list, to include more of the reasons that appear in sysop.js and not here (this replaces the existing script in sysop.js) —Random832 16:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

If you switch back to this "built-in" list, you could also beautify it a little, so that [[WP:CSD#G2|CSD G2]]: Test page becomes simple CSD G2: Test page in the drop-down list (sample code is below). P.S. You could use a local file for testing ∴ AlexSm 16:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
var select = document.getElementById('wpDeleteReasonList')
 for (var i=1; i<select.length; i++){
   option = select.options[i]
   option.title = option.value
   option.text = option.value.replace(/\[\[[^|]+\|([^\]]+)\]\]/,'$1')
 }

My script already does this, actually, I guess great minds think alike. My regex handles a few more cases: re = /\[\[([^\]\|]*\|)?([^\]]*)\]\]/g, '$2'; ...; o.text = o.text.replace(re,'$2'); - anyway, the first release version is ready to go at User:Random832/monobook.js; feel free to copy it for testing. —Random832 16:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Editprotected request

{{editprotected}} Please can someone correct one of the CSD A7 reasons to include "corporation", as there are non-notable corporations out there as well. A minor change, but probably a good one. --Solumeiras (talk) 17:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

One of the reasons already says "company". Sandstein (talk) 07:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
As Sandstein said, "company" is already listed. — Edokter • Talk • 15:53, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
It didn't at the time of this request - I reworded some of them to work better with the script, and also made this change - sorry for not marking it as done. —Random832 16:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Expanded

I've proposed an expanded version here (since most people are using Ryan's script and don't seem to have a problem with the length of the list, and here it's going to automatically pick a reason). Anyone have any objections? —Random832 18:00, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#deletion reason script —Random832 17:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A note on format

The format of the text of the items in the list is significant to the script in sysop.js. The entries must start with either (e.g.) "CSD G1:" or "G1:" after wikilinks have been replaced with their text. Also, please contact me before changing the available A7 choices. The text after the ':' is not significant to the script and can be changed freely. —Random832 19:26, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CSD T3

I would like to add T3, but I don't want to break it. Suggested addition:

** [[WP:CSD#T3|T3]]: Templates not being used (substantial duplication/functionality provided by other template)

thanks, xenocidic (talk) 23:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blanking additional reason box

It used to be that this box was empty when choosing a reason, unfortunately not anymore. Is it possible to at least automatically blank this when you choose G10 or G12 as a reason. Garion96 (talk) 20:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)