Talk:Decline of Hellenistic polytheism
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Ehm, but by the tenth century, wasn't Laconia and almost all of the Peloponnesus inhabited by pagan Slavs? I'd say it's them the Byzantines tried to subdue & convert, more than a last stronghold of Classical paganism, a religion which in itself implied no small amount of written culture and public support in order to be kept alive... which doesn't seem the case in early Middle Ages Peloponnesus. The entire article seems to be written from the perspective of the Supreme Council of Ethnikoi Hellenes, which, a part renegading Christianity, show a very partial approach to historical facts. They quote thebrutal persecutions suffered by the alst pagans, but forget what the Christians had to endure before at the hands of the gentiles. User:Basil II
That's probably because this is a page about the persecution of Hellenistic beliefs and has nothing to do with crhristians except as victimizers. If you had bothered to check you 'd see there is a separate one about christian persecution, such as it was. And sign next time.212.205.246.214 (talk) 13:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
The reference to Laconia was likely to the Maniots, which do seem to have been both Greek and pagan into the 9th century, therefore, after better information, I suspend my doubts about that issue. Basil II 02:07, 20 January 2008 (CET)
Corrections. 1. Sabianes were not "Hellenes". Their doctrine was partly based on Greek philosophicla traditions. The same can be said about many other sects (Druzes, Alavites etc). 2. The opinion that Harran "becomes center of Muslim scholarship" is misleading. The city was a very important center of scholarship alredy before Muslim conquest and continued to be such for a few centuries. 3. Sabian tradition did not emerge in 904, but much earlier. Yeti 12:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
The reference book listed at the end of this article is self published by a crank. This is a vanity post that has been pushed onto wikipedia without any objective sourcing. This article should be deleted unless additional sourcing is provided.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsay_MacMullen
Quite a well qualified "crank" it seems.}
[edit] Pagan literature
The article is very one-sided but it is difficult to correct without simply starting again. It makes several references to pagan historians and intellectuals. For some balance, at least until the article is rewritten I'd suggest the following, which I wrote, on whether Christians tried to irradicate pagan literature. http://www.jameshannam.com/literature.htm James Hannam 12:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I honestly ask you to stop giving references here to the works you've written - publishing a book would definetly solve your problem. Asharidu (talk) 12:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Constantine's Conversion
Just a fine point, but Constantine's 'private/personal' Christianity as opposed to his public (and wholly political) paganism is now well established by scholarship of his personal correspondence. As emperor, he was necessarilly Pontifex Maximus of an officially and legally pagan state: had he neglected the duties of the office, the first ill omen or natural catastrophe would have served as "proof" of the anger of the gods at his neglect of them, and been sufficient provocation to depose or assassinate him. Constantine did not "convert on his deathbead": he was baptized on his deathbed which was a common practice in that time as in the 4th century many people feared there was no absolution for post-baptismal sin. It is evident fromthe sources that he had been inclined towards Christianity from and early age -- his mother was a Christian, after all --that he had been considering converting for some time, and that the crucial change of mind came at the time of his famed vision of Christus Victor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.91.18.200 (talk)
