Talk:Dechristianisation of France during the French Revolution

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the Civil Constitution of the Clergy that stripped clerics of their property This is a misrepresentation of the Civil Constitution of the Clergy, which see... Septentrionalis 16:20, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Looks like this has been addressed by the time I'm reading the remark. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:22, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Now I have time to look at this page, and related pages, there is a deeper problem, which I must congratulate Jmabel for dealing with almost singlehanded. The 1911 Britannica articles on the French Revolution seem mostly to have been written by the same hand (?James Anthony Froude?; they're unsigned), with a double POV:

  • The Catholic church is the Scarlet woman;
  • the Revolution is the only thing worse: her natural offspring, Godless atheism, which explains all its actions.

The anonymous edit has removed the second POV, leaving the first. This is unquestionably an improvement; but I think in the long run there are two choices:

The Dechristianisation of France during the French Revolution is a conventional description of the results of half-a-dozen separate policies:

  • The traditional Gallican policy that the Church of France should be subject to the French government rather than a foreign pontiff
  • That there should be no privileges in the new Revolutionary France, One and Indivisible
  • That all classes and orders should contribute to straightening out the disaster which Louis XVI had put the French finances into
  • enforcement of religious toleration
  • creation of a common patriotic ceremonial and symbolism
  • War with the Pope, as a temporal sovereign whose troops had killed a French officer on the grounds of the French embassy
  • Support of an alternate religion.

These were supported by different parties, at different times, at different lebels of government. Only the last will be called de-Christianization by a consensus, and it was limited to November 1793 and some months of 1794.

Comments? Septentrionalis 22:41, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • I generally agree with the the direction you want to take this. The "no privileges" thing can probably be fleshed out with some discussion of the events of 4 August 1789. The atheistic Cult of Reason certainly should be mentioned, as well as the theistic Cult of the Supreme Being. And much of this could be worded better, but I assume you were not intending to take this verbatim into the article. I say go for it. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:01, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Non-Catholics

Some mention of Jews and Protestants for comparison? --84.20.17.84 10:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Descrimination?

Let's replace the infobox with one for the French revolution. JeffBurdges 10:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to add that infobox as well, but the religious persecution box should not be removed. There is no question that this matter constituted religious persecution. Mamalujo 19:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi there. I don't mean to be a pain, but I think the religious persecution infobox is hardly warranted. While I fully agree that the Dechristianisation of France during the French Revolution produced religious persecution, the subject of the article is not religious persecution in France during the Revolution in itself, and neither is the focus it is being given as an article. Of course there is room for the article to include mention of resulting persecution as a consequence of the whole process (in its own section, in related articles lists, etc), but if as Wikipedia editors we understand Infoboxes to be "... designed to be placed into main articles related to the topic area" and "...a broad class of templates commonly used in articles to present certain summary or overview information about the subject" (quoted from Wikipedia:Manual of Style (infoboxes), I don't think the infobox on Religious Persecution and Discrimination should be inserted here. Otherwise, we'll end up with all Wikipedia articles being clogged with a dozen infoboxes on related topics. I mean, the Albigensian Crusade article (and all Crusade articles, for that matter) deals with religious persecution, but I wouldn't really add the template there, either, since it would not be central to the article, and it wouldn't serve to summarize any of the points or to link the article to a common "mother" article. Cheers! ;) Dr Benway (talk) 10:09, 28 December 2007 (UTC)