User talk:Dataproducts

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[edit] Use of "Catholic" in Wikipedia

The use of "Catholic" to refer only to the churches in union with the see of Rome is POV and deprecated in Wikipedia. Roman Catholic is one reasonable alternative, and there are other ways of addressing it, but what is not reasonable is to use "Catholic Church" to refer only to those in union with Rome. Moreover, it is certainly not correct to change the usage of Roman Catholic when it does in fact refer to the Latin church. Tb (talk) 20:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I must insist that you discuss the changes you have been making to Good Friday. Tb (talk) 21:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Once again, making the same changes every day is not acceptible as a replacement for discussing them. You must discuss them, or cease editing the page. Tb (talk) 05:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Your desire therefore is to say that the only churches entitled to the label "Catholic" are those in union with the Bishop of Rome. (And you have also made changes indicating that the Pope of Alexandria shouldn't get to be called Pope either.) You are entitled to your point of view, but the fact remains that it is your opinion and a controversial one at that. It is for exactly this reason that the page Catholicism contains a lengthy discussion of the question, and the page Roman Catholicism has that name. If there is a name for your church which does not express this POV-centric position, there is nothing wrong with using it, but you can't just run roughshod over existing consensus in your desire to make Wikipedia conform to your own point of view. Tb (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Let it be clear: I object to your changes on Good Friday and to the other pages where you have made them, and I ask that you discuss it on the talk pages and seek consensus before you make the changes again. This is a Wikipedia requirement. Tb (talk) 20:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

More of your POV-pushing: you consistently want to list Eastern Catholic before Eastern Orthodox, and keep rearranging that order, despite the huge numerical predominance of the Eastern Orthodox. In articles on Byzantine liturgical traditions, you consistently change "Greek-Catholic" into "Eastern Catholic", despite the existence of non-Byzantine Eastern Catholic churches. And about all these, you are well aware that your changes are controversial, and you have refused to discuss them, preferring instead to simply make the same changes, over and over again, day after day, without even edit summaries or explanations. This is not a cooperative procedure. Making the edit the first time is fine; once you learn that it is controversial, your correct procedure is to discuss it, and it is wrong to simply continue to make the same edit over and over again. Tb (talk) 20:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion of changes

It is not permitted simply to make the same change over and over again without discussion. If there is a disagreement about which form the page should take, it must be discussed, on the talk page; you cannot simply continue to make the same change. Discussion is required, and only if consensus is reached, is the change to be made. Tb (talk) 17:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding reversions[1] made on June 1, 2008 to Kathleen Sebelius

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. (ESkog)(Talk) 03:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Continuing to revert the article to your preferred form accomplishes nothing if you do not participate on the article's Talk page. Edit warring without communication (or even with communication) can get you blocked, especially when you are insisting on unproductively adding information which is already included in the article. (ESkog)(Talk) 03:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Roman Catholic

Hi, Dataproducts. I noticed in a recent edit to Eastern Orthodox Church you removed the word "Roman" from "Roman Catholic Church". This can cause some confusion, because the Orthodox Church considers itself to be the Catholic Church. If one is writing within a Roman Catholic mileu, or contrasting that church with Protestantism, there is no problem with saying "Catholic" or "Catholic Church" when refering to the Roman Catholic Church, but in a wider audience--which is what Wikipedia is--it is better to stick to the more descriptive term. Anglicans also consider themselves to be part of the Catholic Church, though many Roman Catholics would disagree. In the same manner, the expression "Orthodox Church" may be misleading to some, so it is better to say "Eastern Orthodox Church", even though Orthodox Christians themselves would feel it is somewhat inaccurate. So everybody compromises a little bit, and no one need be offended. Thanks. Sincerely, MishaPan (talk) 08:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)