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[edit] Norm Coleman's page and Galloway

I just wanted to let you know that we took off (and moved to the Oil-for-food page) those parts of the Galloway information that had very little to do with Coleman. Please see Talk:Norm Coleman for the discussion. Please let me know if you disagree and why. Thanks. -- MicahMN | Talk 02:36, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Nothing was deleted from Wikipedia, but rather moved to a more appropriate place. There is an entire paragraph about Coleman and the Oil-for-food investigation. As for Galloway's testimony, it has very little to do with Coleman. There are two different links that remain in the Coleman article where people wanting to read more about the matter can. -- MicahMN | Talk 03:40, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
I apologize, I thought it was the same content. I will not revert the article anymore, but I may make some edits to it tomorrow. -- MicahMN | Talk 04:04, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
I don't think he ever did. DanielM 02:12, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] George Galloway

Your edit summary "Rm POV. The judge didn't see it as an attack" has me baffled. The edit is completely NPOV and no Judge was involved. Could you explain what you mean? David | Talk 12:15, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

I responded to this some time ago. The edit was very problematic. DanielM 16:35, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

I see that you regard edits by casual users automatically as "vandalism". This is very unpleasant edit commenting by you and also false. The piece about Galloway's comments later in the Iraq crisis are irrelevant to him liking Saddam a lot. Prove relevance, don't just resort to cheap points like "vandalism"! Reverted and it will be again if you counter-revert if you can't be bothered to come up with an argument. 212.183.134.66 21:44, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Can't respond on this person's talk page really as he or she is an anonymous IP. The vandalism, and only text I removed in that edit, was "died 13th september 2007" for a person who was still alive. The relevance of the other text this person is complaining about is in informing readers about Galloway (which is the purpose of the article), not in demonstrating "him liking Saddam a lot" (which is a POV). DanielM 09:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Norm Coleman

I first want to say that I respect that you disagree about the relevance of keeping everything written about the George Galloway affair in the article. Discussing it is a great way to find common ground and consensus.

I want to clarify that you are incorrect to say that I am motivated in my call for a reasonable consensus on the matter because I want to make the article "Coleman friendly." I try not to bring my personal politics into wikipedia because to do so would be to counter-productive to writing encyclopedia. I happen to personally despise Mr. Coleman's politics, but that doesn't mean that I think he isn't entitled to a fair and neutral article in Wikipedia.

I don't want to sound accusatory, but it appears to me that you want to use the Coleman article to vindicate Mr. Galloway and criticize Mr. Coleman. This motivation really goes against the whole spirit of wikipedia, and that's what was so wrong with Coleman's staff coming on with an agenda to change what should be a neutral article in Coleman's favor. I should add that they really didn't change the Galloway stuff in their vandalism. -- MicahMN | μ 04:56, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

That may be MicahMN's personal view, but I don't think it "it appears" that I want to vindicate George Galloway or anyone else. You can balance perspectives but you can't balance facts. If Galloway seems to come out ahead in the affair to some people, it may well be because of the facts. You shouldn't try to finesse facts or omit key details to ensure that each encounter like this each comes out looking like a draw. Having said that, I myself don't really think Galloway comes out vindicated. When MicahMN talks about the "spirit of Wikipedia" or having a "quality article" I've found that this is his way of saying he wants the article to reflect his own viewpoints and tastes. DanielM 10:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Delegate Zero/The Other Campaign

Firstly, it is Delgegado Zero not Delegate Zero, I will try and change this. Secondly, and more importantly, just because he has changed his name does not mean it warrants an individual article, for example, there are not seperate articles for Cassius Clay and Muhammad Ali. I will try and get the two merged. --Horses In The Sky 22:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

In reference to the name, I can see where you are coming from but I think it would be best to use his correct name and have a redirect from Delegate Zero. However (although I do not know the exact wikipedia policy) I can see no example of pages being created for name changes. I have already stated one example and here are some others Left Party (Germany) and Partei des Demokratischen Sozialismus as well as Cat Stevens and Yusuf Islam. If you can find some examples in the other direction then I will be happy to debate this but as for now, I think the redirect should stand. --Horses In The Sky 22:30, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Fine, perhaps it was a bit arrogant, bring back the page if you want, I just can't see any logical reason for it to exist. --Horses In The Sky 22:34, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Redirect - Go to why do we redirect and look at the sixth one down. --Horses In The Sky 22:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes I agree there may be a case to change the Subcommandante Marcos article heading to Delegado Zero but maybe not until the name change has become common knowledge and in any case, he may decide to change his name back at some point. --Horses In The Sky 19:29, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

He was right about the one thing, there should be a single entry for this person, but we're not sure about the other. Judging by a popular news story search engine, english-language media refers to him as Delegate Zero much more often than Delegado Zero. Does this mean Wikipedia should refer to him that way as well? Not so sure. As yet have not found anything in the rules about that. DanielM 10:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Erik Balkey

Just a hint for next time - instead of blanking the content at Eric Balkey and entering a redirect, then creating the correctly spelled article, you could have used the "move" tab at the top of your page. This would have preserved the page history and done the redirect for you :) --BigBlueFish 17:16, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coleman Pics

I got the photos from a friend who attended Hofstra University at the same time as Norm Coleman. He happens to still have his old class of 1970 yearbook. He mentioned it to me and I took a look -> whoa Norm Coleman, crazy. Anyway, that's the story. AaronRoe 05:58, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coleman and Galloway

Please let me know how this can be about Norm Coleman and not about Galloway. This is very blantant POV and you appear driven by some agenda (I will not put an adjective in front of it but it is obvious what it is). Please refer to any standard biographical technique that would make the material you reverted relevant under "Norm Coleman" under circumstances. You seem to have personal/policical issues that are not relevant to objective biographical writing. I'll wait a few days for your response before re-editing. Rossp 22:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)rossp

These were warrantless allegations, he was irritated IMO that I reverted his wholesale deletions to longstanding compromise text. I responded at his talk page. DanielM 03:19, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Alan Greenspan

First off, thanks for the "sorry" at the start of the revert. Human touches are good. I felt that including the links to the three well-known events was source enough. They were three historical events during his tenure that are not mentioned in the comment of the housing bubble, and I found it lacking because of it. However, I do not feel strongly about it, and also do not feel like googling for sources citing these events in each of the reasons given for each Fed reduction, so I will let it drop.

PS: Daniel is a good name, my son has that name. CodeCarpenter 03:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Sputnik Browser

All subjects must assert notability. It's best to read it as Unremarkable content. The discussion on the merits of software notability are still being debated, but is visible at Wikipedia:Notability (software). Logical2uReview me! 18:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The article needs to assert notability, and relatively verifiable notability. (So, include sources if they aren't readily known) This is the rule for almost every subject on Wikipedia, and it looks like the software debate will turn out the same way. Logical2uReview me! 18:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
The applicable policies are WP:CSD#Articles, subsection 7, followed by Wikipedia:Notability. Logical2uReview me! 18:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Sputnik browser

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[edit] Sputnik (browser)

...if you don't mind, could you please cite a reliable source that establishes the notability of the Sputnick browser. AlistairMcMillan 02:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

The web-browser article was established over his objections that it was not notable. I responded to this at his user talk page. DanielM 10:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

And in the two months since the AFD, what has happened? The article itself hasn't been touched (still only a single paragraph) and the browser hasn't been updated. AlistairMcMillan 11:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] George Galloway

Having been involved in the argument at this page for some time now, I appreciate another editor stepping in to voice some objectivity. I initially came to the situation with the same goal in mind, but got wrapped up somewhat in the seeming POV spreading going on. So thanks for your input- it would be helpful if you kept in the discussion, as the editor looking to insert the info in question (what appears to me to be criticism of Israeli policy spun to look like anti-semitism) hasn't embraced any of my reccomendations, and I was starting to feel like the lone voice of wiki policy. Cheers.--Jackbirdsong 03:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Krugman/Lying in Ponds

Daniel, I just wanted to give you a heads-up that I have added some remarks on the Talk page there. I really appreciate your willingness to be engaged on what I think is an important issue, and I hope that what I've said will make some difference in its resolution. If I can be of any help on the matter, please let me know. Jjb 05:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Trying to reason together about Code Pink

Daniel,

I am really trying to be objective here, which I believe can be done when all sides in a conflict (I'm referring to the public political one, not Wikipedia) are, to varying extents, irrational. Code Pink raises strong criticisms, which will engender strong criticisms in return. In no way do I agree with Carlson -- or Benjamin.

Let me offer what I have long taken as a piece of wisdom, which often describes my POV in political matters. It comes from Carl Schurz, who started as a German revolutionary, emigrated to the US, and eventually became an outstanding senator. I only wish that more politicians shared his balance:

The Senator from Wisconsin cannot frighten me by exclaiming, “My country, right or wrong.” In one sense I say so too. My country; and my country is the great American Republic. My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.

He later expanded on this:

I confidently trust that the American people will prove themselves … too wise not to detect the false pride or the dangerous ambitions or the selfish schemes which so often hide themselves under that deceptive cry of mock patriotism: ‘Our country, right or wrong!’ They will not fail to recognize that our dignity, our free institutions and the peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism: ‘Our country—when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right.’

Carlson, Tierney, and Code Pink all, to me, seem to be using mock patriotism. I have enough experience with the realities of Capitol Hill to say that it may take them a while to come to the correct position, but they usually do, and without benefit of stunts.

I'm saying this here, as the Wikipedia guidelines on dispute resolution suggest that an exchange on user pages can help establish good faith. That is what I am trying to do. It is not my belief that the Code Pink page can be more than a record of fairly extreme positions on different ends of the political spectrum, and providing both is a service to the reader. In my opinion, the article has tilted toward Code Pink.

If you still think I am engaging in OR synthesis, I encourage you to join with me in seeking arbitration. I assure you that I am doing my best to stay neutral in a situation where there are no neutral positions by the subjects and their critics. Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 22:01, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rescue at Riegel.

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