Talk:Damn I Wish I Was Your Lover

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[edit] Claim: song was controversial because refers to lesbian sex

I have removed (again): "This is evidenced by the lyric, "I lay by the ocean making love to her with visions clear.""

While this lyric is indeed found many places, saying this made the song controversial because the song was about lesbian sex has THREE claims not proven by that lyric: 1) The song was controversial. We need a source saying that. 2) The lyric refers to lesbian sex. Yeah, that's a literal interpretation of the lyric. Maybe it's poetic. Obviously the whole thing can't be literal, as there is no way to make love -- to a man or woman -- with literal "visions", clear or otherwise. "Making love" could refer to something other than sex. "Her" could refer to the ocean. Maybe there's a character in the song that is NOT female, though the singer is. Who knows? 3) The reference made the song controversial. Even if we find a reference stating that the song was contoversial, it could have been for any number of reasons. Could have been for lesbian sex, for the use of the word "damn" or any number of similarly absurd reasons. Mdbrownmsw 18:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

All great points, but Sophie B. has many other love songs about women (I own three of her albums) and has publicly stated that she is bisexual, so all this speculation is rather counter-factual. If you want further evidence, I'd suggest looking up the lyrics to some of the songs on the 'Wilderness' album. --60.242.56.215 (talk) 17:58, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't suggest I look up her lyrics and interpret them, find reliable sources supporting:

claim 1) This song was controversial. Absolutely no interpretation of any lyric can demonstrate this.

claim 2) This lyric refers to lesbian sex. The reading suggested assumes the song is from her point of view and that it refers to sex. Nothing shows this to be true.

claim 3) The reference made the song controversial. Absolutely no interpretation of any lyric can demonstrate this.

At the moment, we have zero to support any of this. We might as well go to London Bridge (Fergie song) and say it was controversial because it was about a woman who wets her pants on stage: "The drinks start pouring... Grey goose got your girl feeling loose...get down on the floor,...'fore I turn around and spray you...‘Cause you know I don’t give a fuck,"

Then we can establish a category "Songs an editor decided were controversial because they might refer to something that might be controversial about the singer."

Or, we could just stick to what we can cite.

Mdsummermsw (talk) 18:24, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm with Mdbrownmsw. Frankly, in modern pop music lesbian is pervasive and is on the airwaves all the time with little resulting attention. The banned video was obviously controversial - but the lyrics of this song are quite benign and indirect compared to, say, "21 Lines" or "Your Tongue Like the Sun in My Mouth" or "The Darkest Childe". Find a statement of a prominent detractor to cite, or leave it out. Dcoetzee 02:09, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

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