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Contents 1 Comments 2 Outstanding density 3 Attribution of sources needed 4 Attribution still needed 5 Text sounds like Ovid 6 roman/greek mythology

[edit] Comments

IMHO Daidalos is the correct transliteration of the greek name, Daedalus is the latin form. Since the origin is greek mythology, the greek name should be given first.

That sounds believable, but the English Wikipedia generally prefers the most common usage/spelling of a word in English - in this case that would be Daedalus. So I will revert for now, unless a consensus decides otherwise (in which case a page move would be in order). However, its worth making a more explicit mention that Daidalos is the Greek transliteration somewhere in the article. -- Solipsist 00:58, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Outstanding density

"Minos had to have the labyrinth to imprison his wife's son: the Minotaur. Daedalus had built Minos' wife, Pasiphae, a wooden cow so she could mate with the bull. Poseidon had cursed her with zoophilia." This text in just 35 words gives the following misconceptions:

• The labyrinth was a prison.
• The Minotaur was the "stepson" of Minos.
• Minos was an individual with a biography rather than an archetype.
• Pasiphaë was "his" wife.
• Her "mating" with the bull-god was a "curse".
• The dysfunctional psychology of zoophilia is relevant.

Yikes! --Wetman 03:50, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In my Latin class we translated a passage (I believe from the Metamorphoses) which backed up those statements. I'm aware that there are many versions of myths; is the one I read the less popular one? Sir Akroy 15:35, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Attribution of sources needed

Most of this article is taken verbatim from Bulfinch's Mythology. The 1979 edition of that volume has the text in question on page 156 (in the "Stories of Gods and Heroes" section). Though the text itself is out of copyright, nevertheless reprinting it without giving proper credit to Professor Bullfinch seems akin to plagiarism. I'm making a note as to the correct authorship on the main page, and when time permits I will be rewriting the article so taht it is not longer plagiarized.

Please, people, let us respect the work of others and give credit where credit is due, okay?Manticore 18:22, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Good! Graves Myths and Kerenyi's Gods both give Greek sources in notes. Fresh text can be derived directly from translations of the sources. --Wetman 18:38, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I've removed the note on the main page since nothings been done and normally your supposed to discuss about sources either in the discussion page or via a {1911} tag, or in a "Sources" sub-section. So long as its public domain, there is no reason to call attention to it in the opening lines of the article. Thats one of the benefits of Wikipedia, public domain text can be imported and over time will be expanded and hopefully be improved by other authors. Stbalbach 01:45, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Attribution still needed

I utterly disagree that attribution is unneeded for public domain documents (though I admit that I have been remiss in not following up). A lack of attribution gives the mistaken impression that this is original work: I don't care that Thomas Bulfinch is long dead, he should still be given credit, and persons new to the still of myth should know the origins of what they are reading. More importantly, the tone of this article is un-encyclopedic. It needs heavy revision. At any rate, I'm returning the line about Bulfinch to the main page. Manticore 22:52, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Added a sources sub-section, standard Wikipedia protocol. Done all the time for EB1911 articles, and others, that are copied verbatum. Stbalbach 03:21, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Text sounds like Ovid

The text of the page about Daedalus sounds like a translation of Ovid's stor from the Metamorphoses. Perhaps it would be better to include more outside information rather than merely one particular author's account of the story.

[edit] roman/greek mythology

I am not very knowledgeable in mythology, but the roman and greek stories of deadalus, i think, are mixed up, or it is not clearly stated which version is the information being taken from. From other wikipedia articles I found that: - homer wrote the early greek myths - lapix mentioned as a son of daedalus in roman mythology - minerva is a roman goddess, and is the roman counterpart to the greek goddess Athena. There is probably more crossing overs of the roman/greek versions of daedalus, but I could not find/ describe them. This make the article unreliable, for someone reasearching, for example, the greek figure daeadlus. I am hoping that someone with a better knowledge of the subject will correct this because, right now, I do not have the time to research all of this. --Michael Diaz 01:55, 7 October 2007 (UTC)