Talk:D minor
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[edit] Zyqwux's comments
Dolly Parton - Jolene is not in D minor.
- What? Is this D minor or D harmonic minor? - Zyqwux
[edit] more comments...
I'm dubious about including the Bruckner - it's often performed without the finale reconstruction, yes; it's the existence of the sketches, the very strong suggestion that gives that he intended all along that the finale he never finished, not the third movement, end the symphony, that makes me believe it belongs at best in an appendix to such a list.
The 20th century has seen a lot of 'post-tonal' music, never really non-tonal but not grounded in common-practice harmony nor beginning and ending in the same key. The late symphonies of Pettersson come to mind for me, sym. 13 beginning in a sort of C minor and ending in a definite D-flat, sym. 15 beginning with sforzandi (in A minor? need to listen again) and ending on a very surprising F# chord (second inversion) that interrupts a progression in C major... Even in 1910 Mahler 9 begins in D major and ends in a movement in D-flat, Mahler 4 in G -> E..., several works (Mahler 2, Erkki Melartin 6, poss. Kabalevski 2?) C minor -> E-flat?) etc. ... not to mention so very much by Nielsen and 20% ;) of everyone else. Not that surprised by the D->E progressions, though it does interest me that they seem to be more common or are they. Statistics time :) Schissel : bowl listen 14:04, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
- I too consider the Bruckner example dubious. Had he finished the Ninth, it would've certainly ended in D major, like all the two other D minor Symphonies he wrote.
- The D to E progressions seem to be more common to me too, but it wouldn't hurt to do some tabulation. Del arte 23:30, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] D minor in Greek music
I took this out of the article:
- The key of D Minor, along with its parallel major, appears to be quite popular in the music of Greece and are used extensively in the songs/works of Mikis Theodorakis and Manos Hadjidakis.
I think the same could be said of music from just about any other country. Is there anything particularly special or distinctive about the way Theodorakis or Hadjidakis use D minor? Anton Mravcek 17:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] C♯ or C?
The introductory paragraph says that D-minor is D, E, F, G, A, B♭, C♯, and D, but the info box on the right says that it is D, E, F, G, A, B♭, C and D. Which one is correct? --Bisqwit 20:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
- Both. Article is about melodic and harmonic versions of D minor scale. Anton Mravcek 20:18, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
If that is the case, then it would be better to clarify which scale is which intro as well as the info box.GazeAaron 04:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "These comments are considered ridiculous by some"
The above is just obvious non-Wikipedia commentary; anything "considered by some" is weaselly. I think that entire paragraph starting with the Nigel Tufnel stuff should be deleted, since it's just a collection of 'citation needed' opinions. Agree/disagree? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.65.199.254 (talk) 05:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Removal of paragraph about Spinal Tap and D minor
The following paragraph is just so questioned, so riddled with those annoying citation needed tags (all the more annoying because I don't know where to get citations for all this stuff), that I just removed the whole thing. Anton Mravcek 18:37, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- The key is sometimes used to represent a fearful or ominous mood while, according to Nigel Tufnel, a character in This is Spinal Tap, it is the saddest of all keys[citation needed]. Jack White of the White Stripes commented on his Dolly Parton cover "Jolene" by stating that the D minor chord has such an evil, sad undertone[citation needed]. These comments are considered ridiculous by some, because every minor key is the same under equal temperament. One possible reason for these comments is that when a minor song uses the tonic D, it sometimes is employs the Dorian mode, which is the same as a normal minor but with a sharped sixth. This scale could be said to seem sadder or more emotional than a regular natural minor.[citation needed]
[edit] Deleting Songs
Don't remove any more songs from this list, please! Cbsteffen
[edit] Pink Floyd's "Run Like Hell"...
... must be one of the most tonally ambiguous songs in all of rock, alternating between D minor and D major. I don't think it should be on the list. Does anyone else agree? --The guy with the axe - aaaaaaargh!!! (talk) 18:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Well-known music in this key
I plan on deleting any unsourced entries from this in a few weeks. (Listening to a piece and trying to figure out the key is not a source, and is also WP:OR.) Torc2 (talk) 08:22, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Aeolian Mode?
There's no mention of the Aeolian Mode of the Diatonic Scale in this article, which the D minor documented in this article actually is (ie. D Aeolian). Maybe this fact should be noted prominently so as to more comprehensively document D minor's place in music theory?
(I realise I haven't provided a source for this claim, but I figured I'd put the thought into the heads of whoever maintains this article anyway, and worry about verification when it's actually added to the article)
I'll bother to register an account shortly.
-Gregory Dean McLellan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.183.16.243 (talk) 13:13, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
