Talk:Curb extension
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[edit] Deletion discussion
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[edit] Chokers and Fence Gates?
Not sure where this might go or if other pages might be better, but any narrowing of the traffic right may result in calming and may be called a choker. One particular example of a choker which may or may not fit here is a fence gate. A fence gate is constructed to come very close or even partway into the right of way to cause traffic to slow and go around. I'll try to provide some photos of these. -- M0llusk 04:01, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV
This article touches on the advantages of curb extensions (sightlines for pedestrians etc) but there is no mention of the negatives. Many exist such as reduced on-street parking, narrow roads (especially at junctions) force cars closer together increasing the risk of an accident. No proof of this but it also makes driving seem more stressful. Many schemes near me have been made too narrow for 2 buses to pass through together, hence causing a traffic backlog. There is also a road in Fife, Scotland which is littered with these and when the parallel (fast) road was closed due to an accident all traffic had to use the "slow" road and large queues were caused by lorries/buses having to wait to pass the kerb extensions.161.12.7.4 (talk) 11:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- There was one drawback discussed. I've added more to address some of your concerns. Actually, the slower speeds fostered by curb extensions would tend to reduce the risk and severity of collisions more than the restricted width would cause them (assuming, of course, they aren't poorly designed).
- At mid-block crossings, they can actually reduce the loss of parking spaces, since pedestrians are moved out to where they can be seen. Parking can be allowed up to the crosswalk, where usually the last few spaces would be eliminated. Triskele Jim (talk) 17:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
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- Also, forcing cars closer together does NOT create more accidents. In fact, it has been proven to slow people down pyschologically, creating LESS (and less severe) accidents. Kerb extensions (whether for buses or for other reasons) have been used for safety advantages in this sense before. Ingolfson (talk) 07:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Merge from bus bulb
- Support - as it is, this is basically a fork for the American name usage. Kerb/Curb extension is more generic. Ingolfson (talk) 07:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose - this article makes only one reference to bus, and isn't even clear if the bulb is for the bus stop, or mounted infront/behind of a bus bay. MickMacNee (talk) 12:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- Comment - don't quite get your point. A bus bulb is a specific USE of a curb extension. You could argue that it is substantial enough to be kept on its own (I still note that in that case it sounds a bit too much like a US-only term) but certainly there is a logical case for it being partof the curb extension article too. Ingolfson (talk) 12:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- Bus bulb is linked from public transport templates, merging it here as a specific use would occlude that purpose. The two articles cover different scopes, if it is a specific usage it can be linked from the text here - my point is it wasn't, it's hardly clear that this is a specific usage as this article is currently worded. The naming issue is irrelevant, as long as alternate names are redirected and included in the lead. US/other names never have and never will be resolved, there's no point merging articles on a name basis only, especially when they don't cover the same scope. MickMacNee (talk) 13:05, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- Comment - don't quite get your point. A bus bulb is a specific USE of a curb extension. You could argue that it is substantial enough to be kept on its own (I still note that in that case it sounds a bit too much like a US-only term) but certainly there is a logical case for it being partof the curb extension article too. Ingolfson (talk) 12:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose - Curb extensions and bus bulbs have some similarity, but are created for quite different purposes. The curb extension is used for traffic management purposes. The bus bulb is intended to ease access between buses and their passengers. This is not a American usage fork; the UK english equivalent of Bus bulb is Bus boarder, not Curb extension (See: Accessible bus stop design guidance 31-36. Transport for London.). New Zealand (or at least Aukland) seems to use bus border. I have added other names and cited references to the bus bulb article. -- Chris j wood (talk) 14:29, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
