Talk:Cultural Muslim
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Zeeshan, thanks for making this article. We can improve it if you can find some internet links on the topic to put in an exteneral links seciton. or to use to cite things. Its kinda of odd to have an entire article without a single citation. Look forward to working with you in the future :) 12.2.239.15 14:41, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Done. --Zeeshanhasan 13:09, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Sentence needs editing
The opening sentence not only has spelling and grammar errors but it is simply irrelevent:
"Generally,a Muslim is defined as some crazy guy in a terban yelling allala!!!" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steveio (talk • contribs) 20:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC).
- That's called vandalism :). When you see that, revert it. Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 03:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Raki?
Why was Raki changed to şerbet?? Greatal386 23:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Kuffar" does not mean "apostates"
I have edited the Kabylia section which previously stated that "Kuffar" is Arabic for "apostates". It is not. The Arabic word "Kuffar" is the plural of "Kafir" which means "disbeliever". An apostate is called "Murtad" in Arabic. In Islamic terminology the "Kafir" is one who has openly rejected Islam. The "Murtad" is a type of "Kafir", but specifically someone who was a practicing and believing Muslim who abandoned Islam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.200.208.170 (talk) 21:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
(overlong rant removed; the article does not say that Bosnian Muslims are not Muslims, it says that some Bosnians designated as "Muslim" for official purposes may not be active adherents of that faith) <eleland/talkedits> 22:53, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] How dare you are to tell me I am not true believer of Islamic faith just because I am Bosnian!
Quote: " In non-Muslim societies, such Muslims may subscribe to, and be vested with, secular identities. The Muslims of Bosnia, descendants of Slavs who converted to Islam under Ottoman rule, are not always noted for attendance at prayer, abstention from alcohol, seclusion of women and other social practices associated with believing Muslims in other parts of the world. They were officially designated as Muslims to distinguish them from (Orthodox) Slavs and (Catholic) Croats under the former Yugoslavian communist regime. The label 'Muslim' indicates their ethnicity and group allegiance, but not necessarily their religious beliefs. In this limited context (which may apply to other Muslim minorities in Europe and Asia), there may be no contradiction between being Muslim and being atheist or agnostic, just as there are Jewish atheists and Jewish agnostics... It should be noted, however, that this secular definition of Muslim (sometimes the terms 'cultural Muslim' or 'nominal Muslim' are used) is very far from being uncontested."
You have no righ to speak about Bosnian muslims in this way!
You have no right to declare Bosnia as non-MUSLIM society.
Bosnian muslims were not Slavs!
You don't know anything about bosnian-herzegovinian people!
You have no right to declare anyone as non believer!
You can't judge belonging and level of true Islamic faith of Bosnians.
Bosnains were brutally tortured because they were members of islamic faith!
You are calling them now "non believers"?
You have no right to measure the level of their faith and their religious beliefs.
You have no right to compare them to other 'believing Muslims'.
Who are other 'Believing Muslims'?
In other parts of world people "all people" are believers? True followers of Islam?
Why did you delete my post? Did I take your country as an example of Muslims non-believers?
What you do is unislamic!
What do you know about Bosnia? You don't know anything!
signature: how dare you are? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.209.233.108 (talk) 23:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- When you write "you", you are presumably addressing the author of the quote with which you begin your comment. That quote is a literal quotation from page 3 of the book Islam: A Very Short Introduction by Malise Ruthven. However, it is far from sure that Dr. Ruthven is reading the comments on this talk page, so your remarks may be lost in that respect. Before you get too indignant, please note that the text does not say that the Muslims of Bosnia in general should not be considered to be Muslims on the basis of their religious beliefs, but only that among the Muslims of Bosnia there may be individuals who are identified as Muslims more for their their ethnicity and group allegiance than for their religious beliefs. Do you claim that this is false, in other words, do you think that each and every person who is considered a Bosnian Muslim, rather than a Bosnian Serb or a Bosnian Croat, is classified that way because of their beliefs? --Lambiam 09:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ethnicity: Albanian
I added a comment in the concept section.
The label 'Muslim' indicates their ethnicity and group allegiance, but not necessarily their religious beliefs. (Their ethnicity is officially Albanian - a wikipedia editor)
I just think it's astonishing that a Muslim scholar is so ignorant in this subject.
--Zslevi (talk) 19:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- Where do you get the notion from that the ethnicity of the Bosnian Muslims is "officially" Albanian? Albanians speak the Albanian language. Bosnian Muslims speak mostly Bosnian and generally don't understand Albanian at all. --Lambiam 22:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
