Talk:Cruelty to animals

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Contents 1 Caitlyn Nicole BOone (: 2 Moved page 3 Squirrels 4 Relation to other incidents 5 Template crazy 6 Case 7 External links 8 Cats 9 Laws against animal cruelty in Japan 10 Cleanup tag (Dec 2006) 11 Cruelty to animals in filmaking 12 animal cruelty 13 Bullfighting is also considered animal cruelty 14 Is the pig involved in film making 15 Animal Cruelty Section 16 Animal protection 17 Opinions are divided? 18 Never again?? 19 China 20 Image:Shanghai-monkey.jpg 21 Lea reference 22 removal of image

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[edit] Moved page

helllo! I moved this page from animal cruelty to cruelty to animals because the term "animal cruelty" is ambiguous--it could also mean cruel acts committed by animals. Also expanded a bit--the original article defined "animal cruelty" as "cruelty to animals", which seemed kind of trivial. Hope no one minds. Rosemary Amey 18:16, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Squirrels

If you shoot a squirrel with a "High-Powered" Pellet Rifle, is that considered as a felony due to the Animal Rights Movement

That would depend on where you are. In some cultures, especially those that are far removed from the basics of survival and death, people get all freaked out about "hurting" animals. Other cultures retain the ability to distinguish their fellow man from food and pests.

[edit] Relation to other incidents

This is a very weak section and I'm going to remove it. We mention two Japanese serial killers and then take a poke at Bill Frist. If it is to be re-inserted make it much fuller and balanced. Marskell 15:29, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template crazy

There are way too many "meta information" templates on this article - it looks terrible. nixie 02:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Case

Er, isn't there some sort of case going on in Maine, were they're having the first animal abuse case to bve tried as a fedearl offense? I heard something about that in school. 169.244.70.148 13:36, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I have removed the link to the French Animal Rights League. There are plenty of other internal links already in the See Also section. Besides, there are countless animal rights groups out there, and if we start linking to them this article could end up like Animal rights. Yikes! --AbsolutDan ^(talk) 00:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cats

Why is it illegal in the UK to run over dogs but not cats? --DrBat 16:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure why this is. I think cats deserve as many rights as dogs. And what do they mean by "running over a dog or similarly sized animal is prosecutable"?74.61.138.131 20:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

But dogs come in all different sizes. There are some dogs that are much smaller than cats, so you could use that as a loop hole.

i'm very unfamiliar with how laws are made in the UK but i imagine there has to be a lot of bureaucracy involved. it would then be unlikely that just one person decided they hated cats and wanted to make it legal to kill them with motorized vehicles. maybe the original law covered both cats and dogs but there was some technicality in the section about cats that people couldn't agree so they dropped the cat part. --Roonerspism 14:07, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Laws against animal cruelty in Japan

In Japan, animal cruelty laws historically were lax and seldom enforced. The 2002 Japan animal cruelty case lead to the first animal cruelty felony conviction in Japan. The case awakened a movement to strengthen animal cruelty laws.

The statement given in the first line is false, or at least not very clear. Are you talking about the Japanese law in modern time? Could you please be more careful about the usage of the word "HISTORICALLY". I know many people use this word way too frequently without necessary considerations properly given. You might find the following info fascinating.

In 1685, an extreme measure called "the law of compassion" was decreed to protect animals of all kinds by the 5th shogun of the Tokugawa shogunate, Tokugawa Tsunayoshi. It effectively banned all forms of cruelties against animals including bans on consumptions of poultries, birds, fish, shellfish, crabs, capturing rare animals, importing animals, hunting, fishing, excessive workload for domestic animals and forbidding animal shows. Large scale dog houses were constructed all over Japan to accommodate stray dogs. Pet dogs and gold fish were all registered their domiciles. The government set up the body called INU-METSUKE (Dog Inspectors) in order to protect dogs from abuse.

The punishments imposed for breaking the law were also extreme and harsh. For example, in 1687, Masakatsu Amano, kitchen superintendent of Edo castle, was exiled to a distant island for his failure to prevent an accidental death of a cat in a well in his kitchen from happening (ah... poor man!). Death was the price paid by a samurai for having killed a dog biting his leg! The law later extended to cover the protection of insects; people serving the shogunate were compelled to swear not to kill mosquitoes, flies and fleas, and spraying water on street was strictly forbidden for the sake of mosquito larva. The law which put animals before Man made the daily lives of ordinary people unbearable and almost impossible.

I think, this past experience gave Japanese people a bit more sober views about protections of animals from cruelty.

For more information, please refer to The Laws of Compassion by Beatrice Bodart Bailey, Monumenta Nipponica, Vol. 40, No. 2 (Summer, 1985), pp. 163-189, doi:10.2307/2384718

The first page of which you can find here:JSTOR; Monumenta Nipponica

On the third line about the "awakening" of animal cruelty laws in Japan, could you please back up your word "awakening" with some source? Because at the moment, it carries a negative connotation, which I believe is against the spirit of Wikipedia. Best wishes -- Iwashigumo77 13:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup tag (Dec 2006)

Given the amount of serious content that could be added to this subject, the current article's very weak, and poorly structured. I've tagged as cleanup in the hope someone'll help fix that. FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 18:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cruelty to animals in filmaking

I have created this new section because I am sure there are many recorded cases of cruelty to animals in film making. I have included this obvious case, but I would need people to expand this section with any other cases. Thanks...Francisco Valverde 16:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The statement, "In fact, Cannibal Holocaust was only one film in a collective of similarly themed movies (cannibal films) that featured unstaged animal cruelty." is incorrect... for example, 1981's Cannibal ferox has at least one scene of real animal cruelty, featuring a young alligator being ripped apart, with its still beating heart placed upon its chest. Artificial Silence 14:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I think you should re-read what you're quoting. It's saying that Cannibal Holocaust was one of the films to feature animal cruelty, NOT that it was the only one. "Only one" as in "one of several".

Also, should we collate a list of movies featuring animal cruelty? There's rather a lot, ranging from old Westerns where horses routinely had their legs broken by trip-wires to something like Two Mules for Sister Sara, where Clint Eastwood cuts the head off a snake (for real) and hads its still-squirming corpse to Shirley Maclaine, and gets his horse to stamp on a real tarantula. Pearce.duncan 02:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree that there would be a lot of instances, but perhaps the section should be rewritten to reflect this because the way it is now it seems like there have only been these few instances. Bob98133 12:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] animal cruelty

The animal cruelty is variable in the dogs. in US are people that help the animal with the laws can be multed the person and also can be in jail. This depends in the violence of the animal, are diffrent kind of animal cruelty, Can be inbolucre the state of the animal int the place that he live, also can be the food, What kind of food are they give. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 170.211.45.125 (talk) 17:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC). --170.211.45.125 17:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)maria ramirez--170.211.45.125 17:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bullfighting is also considered animal cruelty

Should we include bullfighting as another form of animal cruelty? I will add the Criticisms of bullfighting article as a link in see also section Francisco Valverde 16:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Changed link from Criticisms of bullfighting to Bullfighting and animal rights (moved page for it to have a have a more neutral title) FelisLeo^Talk! 20:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is the pig involved in film making

In the section cruelty in film making, I read:

"In 2007 May 23, South Koreans who participated in a protest, arranged to make four teams, and each team tied a long rope to each leg of a screaming live pig, and each team pulled their rope as if they were doing the rope pulling. Instantly the screaming pig was divided into four parts. ^[1]"

I followed the link and I find a blog writen (I suppose) in Korean with images of this act, but I wonder if it has to do with film making, or some other action? I do not find any information in English to support this. I would ask for futher information on this and if it was revealed that it was not done in a film we could remove or include it in the appropiate section. I also wonder if just one source and being of a blog is enough? Francisco Valverde 06:26, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Animal Cruelty Section

Unless someone can give some good reason why this statement is in the Animal Cruelty (in circuses) section, I will be removing it. It's all well and good, and documented, just not relevent to the section. Bob98133 14:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Some circuses, such as Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus and Carson and Barnes Circus, have worked to preserve endangered species.[9][10][11] [UNSIGNED!!]

I second that. The first paragraph is weasel and biased, and the video links are not that great. (Idealy, there would be a superscripted link to a video section at the bottom of the page.) Vixwald 23:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Animal protection

In this article the section "See also" is completely about animal protection-items. In this way one might get the impression, that all those organisations are committing cruelties to animals. Think that Animal protection deserves its own article. Natubico 17:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Animal protection already defaults to this page. Thre are already pages for animal rights and animal welfare. I'm not sure an additional page such as you suggest will clarify things. If the See Also on this page references animal abusers or those who are cruel to animals it would be a very contentious area. I think it's probably better staying as it is, or at most, changing Organizations to Organizations Opposed to Animal Cruelty. Bob98133 17:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opinions are divided?

Opinions are divided whether practices such as factory farming, fur farming and animal testing of medical procedures and consumer products pose a major moral issue.

I don't believe that the above is an accurate representation. A minority of people would support factory, fur, or parts farming (bile, paws, et cetera). Animal testing is also significantly outlawed in most of the world. Not to mention the drastic consumer backlash by a vast majority of the worlds people over the past thirty years would indicate to me that the only people who aren't opposed to animal cruelty on a moral level are those who profit from it in some way, be it the products they choose to obtain and use, or produce. Perhaps this should be reflected in the article? Jachin (talk) 08:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Never again??

Where did this heading come from? What did it used to be? It really has to be changed.

Also, ph 2 in this article doesn't make much sense. It begins: "The animal welfare and animal rights movements represent two different responses to the issue." This might be true for humane slaughter or other issues, but insofar as cruelty to animals is concerned, I think everyone has a similar position opposed to cruelty so this ph really seems to be making a distinction that doesn't exist. I think the ph could get dumped or simplified to something along the lines that animal cruelty is opposed by most people.Bob98133 (talk) 21:22, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] China

I can see why the China section was removed since it was not sourced and innacurate. However, it seems like there should be a referenced section about animal cruelty in China since we are bound to hear more about it in the future. I will try to add something when I have time, but if someone already has this info, please add. ThanksBob98133 (talk) 13:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Shanghai-monkey.jpg

How does the image represents cruelty to animals? Is it the use of the restraint that is cruel? Is the reader supposed to assume that the man caused the missing limb? --Dodo bird (talk) 03:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Removed--Dodo bird (talk) 02:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

The main point is the treatment to the animal... and it is clearly being trated with cruelty.. --Zer0~Gravity ^{(Roger - Out)} 15:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

How about?: A beggar in Shanghai dangles a mutilated monkey from a rope Bob98133 (talk) 19:15, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I've seen a hedgehog lit on fire before. It died. --Doctor Bojangles (talk) 07:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Doc, it would be a good idea to let your local police jurisdiction know about this since someone who sets fire to a living animal could use some help before they do it again or turn their attention to fellow humans. Bob98133 (talk) 12:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

There's no point man it was like 3 or 4 years ago. --Doctor Bojangles (talk) 05:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lea reference

The comment about this reference doesn't make any sense since it doesn't contradict what humane orgs have been saying. The humane orgs, and research, has not said that ALL kids who abuse animals become serial killers. However, MOST serial killers did abuse animals as kids, so this reference doesn't refute this, but merely throws in irrelevent information. I see no probelm with the reference staying in, but the text describing it should be less POV, and stay on point.Bob98133 (talk) 12:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] removal of image

24.17.83.230 - The reason you gave in the edit summary for removing this image was : whatever, this isn't "cruel") That is not a reason for removing the image. I asked for a reference that you might have proving that this image does not depict cruelty, which you did not supply. Please revert the image and see previous descussions on this page that supported the image being included. Bob98133 (talk) 18:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC)