Talk:Cross country running

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[edit] Advertising hardly known athletes, teams

Please don't advertise runners and teams that are only known locally. Unless they run like 3 min miles or something like that, Wikipedia users could care less about a local athlete that has made no impact on the sport. Sorry.


No one can run a three minute mile, you need to learn more about the sport before you make comments

I think you need to sign your comments and read about Roger Bannister 82.17.136.199 (talk) 22:07, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] hill running/fell running

The first mention of hills used to link via 'hill running' to a redirect to 'fell running'

I think only us 'Brits' use the term fell running so I think the other way (in via hills -> hillrunning -> fell running) was probably better. Views? Linuxlad 21:09, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure how widespread the sport is outside Britain? Anyone from non UK know anymore? Philipwhiuk (talk) 22:09, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] European CC

Is there anyone who would like to contribute on European standards and European-style courses? I think the article needs some non-US information.119 06:02, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

  • I'm not entirely sure on standard distances here in the UK, so I will look that up at some point, but I think they are similar to the US ones. A couple of points though are that I have never seen the flag system used here in the UK and have been running for nearly 10 years, and have also only seen the line to mark the course method used a couple of times. It might be useful to know that, in my experience, we tend to refer to the 'chute' as a 'funnel', however I don't know if that is solely a UK thing. We do, however, also tend to score upwards for teams (i.e. lowest score wins). Elephant Juice 01:47, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Excessive Advertising

A lot of material on US training camps which appears to be essentially promotiional in intent, appears to have arrived in the last week. I think it is inappropriate here, and will delete unless the poster or frriends gives some justifiacation within a week.

Now done - Here is the deletion in full It doesn't look like WP material to me (it's advertising IMHO and too US-specific too - someone should put it on a separate web-site if it is not already from one!)

I don't really think the whole deletion needs to be on here. Takes up way too much space. Worldtravller 00:48, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bob Kennedy

Although Kennedy is considered a great cross country runner there is no article on him. The internal link links to the baseball player not the runner. Therefore it has been removed.Worldtravller 21:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Methods of Scoring

Should the methods of how a meet is scored be included? i.e chip timing, pull tags, etc. Not totally useful but you never know.Worldtravller 00:48, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Never mind I found it. Must have missed it in an earlier reading. Worldtravller 00:59, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture needs updating

THe picture depicts runners running through some sort of mud-river. I've never run through a mud-river before while running, why not just show runners running a path or something, rahter than stumbling in the mud? I'm going to change the pic because I saw that and really thought that was bizzare... if anyone has any objections just post.

Put in the newer picture again after it was removed by an anon IP. The Oregon picture is atypical of a cross-country race. MAG1 08:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree, in 99.9% of XC races you don't run through a mud river, or really any sort of obstacle. This could easily a view the wrong impression of the sport.

The problem is that in Britain, rivers/boggy patches are considered an important part of the course. I know that in the World Cross the course is just 'bumpy grass', which certainly isn't representative of most UK courses. Philipwhiuk (talk) 22:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Vest" as Equipment?

I have always heard the upper part of a cross country uniform referred to as a "singlet" or, less commonly, "tank top." Am I correct in understanding that in British English this piece of clothing is known as a "vest," or is somebody just unclear what exactly a vest is? Would it be appropriate to use the term "singlet" instead of "vest" in the article? I was just going to add "singlet" in parentheses after "vest" but there were already parentheses there and it would have been confusing... I intend to change the wording if nobody feels this is too American-centric of me. Dunne409 07:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Vest is the word, as in the garment that can be worn under a shirt to keep warm. MAG1 07:59, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

But the jersey is not used as a vest worn under a shirt to keep warm. It is a singlet. 76.25.34.180 16:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Dunno what jerseys have to do with anything; I don't think knitwear is used generally in athletics circles. Singlet is a synonym of vest, but vest is the common word (as in a new international just having got his vest). . MAG1 08:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Vest is the commonly accepted UK term, jersey is normally used for other sports... where a jersey is indeed awarded. Philipwhiuk (talk) 22:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

From my years in CX a uniform's fancy name was always a "singlet"....never a vest (American perspective) --05runner (talk) 04:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fixed vandalism

I just repaired some vandalism done on the previous edit by a user at IP address 24.73.73.2. Looking at the talk page for the user, he has already been banned for vandalism, but I figured I would drop a note in here.--Raguleader 20:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out. sharpdust 00:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
No problem, as a former cross counry runner, I had to stand up for the one physical sport I was ever even mediocre at. :*D --Raguleader 21:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

way to go stick up for us runners

[edit] Meets

Should a section be added at famous/important/big meets, like Nike Team Nationals? --Longhornsg 23:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The problem is justifying what a big meet is. A county/state level race is probably non-notable, but I'm not entirely sure. I think if we the main countries selection races for the World Cross Country Champs, that would be a reasonable approach. Philipwhiuk (talk) 22:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sport vs. Activity

Since cross country is a competitive athletic activity, I certainly think it is helpful to refer to it as a "sport" for the purposes of this article. Any disagreement? Dunne409 09:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Go for it! (Be bold!). Philipwhiuk (talk) 22:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] High School and College

I'd like to add pages for high school cross country and collegiate cross country similar to the way that High School Football and collegiate football is treated. Should new pages be created or a topic created in Cross Country Running?PearlWhiteSerial 04:34, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd go with new pages. Do you have a link to your American football model? David D. (Talk) 07:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Best Strategy for a 5K

The most effective way to get a PR in Cross Country is not as this article suggests to run even splits, but to positive split.

   no you want to run even or negative splits show me a legit site
that says that you should un positive. i have run cross country for
5 years now and have talked to olypians and negatives are the way
to go.


It is a matter of who the runner is. I for one can run perfect even splits, but that won't help me PR. I must run negative splits in order to take advantage of my speed. If I start out as fast as I can, I'll get sore by the middle of the race, but once I'm numb I can duke it out. Non-sprinters may find that positive splits are better, they are not capable of catching up and they will not tire themselves out to excessively. It also depends greatly on the coarse, the competition, and the philosophy/mental control that the runner has on the day of the race. Tim.thelion 05:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a strategy guide, so this shouldn't be here anyway! Philipwhiuk (talk) 22:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. No one is every going to agree on a "strategy" for running a PR. One tactic might work best for one person, but fail miserably for another. --05runner (talk) 04:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Team Scoring

I just added some tables to the team scoring section. However, I don't have time right now/am not sure how best to, update the text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim.thelion (talk • contribs) 01:04, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Expansion and Wikification of long sections

I've tried to reduce the US-centric structure adding UK based information in. Also I've seperated the long paragraphs often with sub-headings. 22:27, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spikes

I have added a brief mention concerning the use of "flats" in some regions( such as California) where spikes are not allowed. Qcpw (talk) 23:03, 12 June 2008 (UTC)