Talk:Cristal (champagne)

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Contents 1 Contradiction on "sec" versus "sweet" 2 coca cola 3 translucent vs. opaque 4 Hip Hop culture

[edit] Contradiction on "sec" versus "sweet"

-- In the French language, the word "sec" means dry, not sweet as stated in the article. If you check the article on Champagne, you'll see an explanation that " throughout the 19th century and into the early 20th century Champagne was generally much sweeter than what we see today." Therefore, I'm guessing that the Russians liked it DRY, not sweet, because that would be different from normal at the time.Em dee aitch 21:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

   There is no contradiction, although the terms used to describe the dryness (or sweetness) or sparkling wine are admittedly confusing [1]. "Sec" is indeed sweeter demarcation than "brut", which is currently how this champagne is marked.

[edit] coca cola

Is there a citation for Cristal Champagne being marketed by Coca-Cola?

-- No there isn't because Coca-Cola's Cristal brand is a mineral water, Cristal is owned and marketed by Louis Roederer.

[edit] translucent vs. opaque

-- umm, the word 'translucent' doesn't make sense in this context; I'm replacing it with 'opaque.'

Ummm, I think you're mistaken here. Wine bottles in general are translucent; Cristal comes inside a cellphane wrapper that protects it somewhat, but the bottle itself is not opaque like with Brut. See http://images.winecommune.com/lotImage/831831849.jpg or http://www.karstadt.de/shop/_im1/dbimages/we/9/3114080043059_g.jpg -- nae'blis _(talk) 21:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hip Hop culture

I appreciate the attempts at sourcing but I don't think idle mentions in rap songs back up the claim of any special status of the wine in the Hip hop culture. What would be needed is a reliable source, independent, third party source that makes the direct connection that "Cristal assumed a place of prominence in Hip hop culture". Without that we have WP:OR synthesis that is making the connection. I am going to remove the OR claim and create a separate header for the "Trivia" mentions since they are sourced. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 15:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Excellent work on the source! Much better now. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 08:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Does this section really need seven examples of reference to Cristal in rap lyrics? Three would be overkill; something like the first and sixth would be plenty. There's none at all at Hip-hop culture... it's basically way to much. Whereas hiphop is "big" on Cristal, Cristal is a Champagne and wine (not music) should be the dominant topic here. Now that we have Champagne in popular culture, we have a more natural home for this kind of info. I'm going to expand the "placement" and "music" sections there to incorporate stuff that appears in the hip-hop culture article and would suggest the couple of quotes I mentioned be moved from here to there. --mikaul^talk 13:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)