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[edit] Criticism

It would be nice if we could have a section on how much Creed sucks. Just a thought...

Or a section about how great they are. Your comment has nothing to do with the article.
Many Creed fans disagree with you... Making cracks like that at bands just because you disliked them is in bad taste, IMHO.
You could always write a section on the criticisms aimed at the band's image and the lead singer if you want. Gotta admit that the music was pretty good though! I suppose the singer's slightly unusual voice might put people off, but personally I like it. And you can't say anything againt the instrumentalists, they're all brilliant.
The band itself has brilliant artistic flow. Everything from the vocals to the instruments. Creed has gone above and beyond standard rock with a sound that is both pleasing and a tune that is mellow. Along with that they put something behind their music that hardly any singers/bands do now days, its called "MEANING" or a "STORYLINE". Music used to be full of stories and meaning but in todays music they are wanting to talk about smoking "SPLIFFS", or "Hoes in different area codes", and "Somewheres I belong"... Now Creed takes both instrument and vocals and make pure rhythmic poetry into something that people who are fans to Rock appreciate the music behind Creed.
True, I recognised talent in the band the first time I heard them. There is something my brother said that seemed like a valid criticism - Scott Stapp clearly puts that singing voice on. I've heard tracks of him talking, he talks nothing like he sings. To some people the fact that he 'fakes' his singing voice is really irritating, I think. To be honest, it sounds good no matter if it's real or not... imho...
Well have you ever heard Brittney Spears voice? When she talks sounds like she needs a voice box, but when she sings its pure melody. Not many singers sound the same way as they do when they sing. They control their voice perfectly, like the saying goes, Some just got it, and well he has it. For those who hate Creed, WHY? Mad they made it and you didn't? Are you mad that they made something of themselves? Stop the hate, grow up and Enjoy the music for what it is. If you don't like them don't listen to them it's not like someone is forcing you to listen to them!
I think you misunderstood my (brother's) point - he puts that very strange accent and the really deep voice on when he sings. Nobody can say he's a bad singer, he's one of the few decent ones in today's market, but I suppose some people just want to hear his real singing voice. Or that even may be his real singing voice (judging from his talking voice, I doubt it), in which case, who cares anyway? It's a good, unique voice and to hold that against him is pretty petty.

There should be a section on criticism. A lot of respected people out of the Seattle music scene have come out and criticized Stapp, including Jack Endino to name a few people. Where is the mention of Stapp insulting Eddie Veddar of Pearl Jam, probably the most memorable thing to happen in Creed's career besides the record sales? This article looks like it is leaning heavily towards a non-neutral pro-Creed POV --- 24.30.92.33 14:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I thought everybody pretty much agreed by now that Creed is horrible. Someone should add a section on how Stapp got his ass kicked by 311 recently in a hotel bar, and how everyone in the world was happy that 311 finally did what they've wanted to for years.

I added a section borrowed from the 311 article, but it was quickly removed by ESkog without any explanation. I added it back, but don't want to get into a revert war. I think that this is a good place to discuss it. Rm999 04:35, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Remember this is Wikipedia; just the facts gentlemen... Kguirnela 01:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk page use and POV

There's little going on on this talk page that is about the article itself, but rather arguments about the quality of the band. That's not what the talk page of an article is for. Whether you hate or love this band is irrelevant, what matters is that they're notable and the Wikipedia article on them should be quality.

That said, I have some minor POV concerns about this article, but not enough to flag it with a tag. I think it's hovering on the edge of POV in favour of the band, which I can slightly understand in response to the heavy POV against them, but which needs to be carefully monitored nonetheless. I'd like future editors to keep that in mind when working on the article, and to watch for POV pushers. - dharmabum 10:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scott Stapp and 311

Shouldn't the section about the fight between Stapp and 311 be moved into the Scott Stapp page? Just a thought.ONEder Boy 00:53, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps, but I took the text from the 311 article (not the indivdual band members). I think at least a mention should be made about the fight in this article though. Rm999
I have to agree with ONEder Boy in the fact that it was 311 vs Scott Stapp not 311 vs Creed
If both bands fought each other, it should go in the band articles. But if 311 just fought Stapp, it belongs on his page and not the Creed page. 69.204.194.148 (talk) 14:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Religion

  • Why has band not been pooled into the Christian_rock music style? They have made many statement in articles and VH1's Behind the Music regarding this fact? Hackajar 06:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I should have added, just because lead singer disavow's cristian label, doesn't mean their not christian rock. That's like a man saying "I'm not a man, I'm a women, I just happen to have a penius! I'm a woman trapped in a man's body". While true you might feel "trapped" in the cristian rock pigion hole, you placed yourself there with lyric's and statements on behind the music. He (Scott) could have made these statments to regroup the fans lost by his previous statements on that show. [1] Hackajar 06:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Scott Stapp is the only member of the band that is a strong christian and they even state in articles that they are not a christian rock band, but mearly a Hard Rock, Post-Grunge, Alternative Rock band. Matthew Husdon
  • It might help to fix the beginning... it looks just a little bit like a contradiction. First it says that the band constantly dismisses the label of Christian music, and a quote from the frontman is provided stating that they ARE a Christian band. I don't know enough about the band to make any sort of assessment, so I'm not going to touch it. anonymous
Does it say "ARE" or "are not"? -- Kguirnela 02:57, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

"We are not a 'Christian band'. We have no agenda to lead others to believe in our specific beliefs." [1]

They may claim to be non-Christian, but their lyrics disagree. The following is from "My Own Prison":

"I hear a thunder in the distance

See a vision of a cross

I feel the pain that was given

On that sad day of loss

A lion roars in the darkness

Only He holds the key

A light to free me from my burden

And grant me life eternally "

To me, that kinda sounds Christian. The cross and life eternally are two big things in Christianity. Also, why would he say it was a "sad day of loss" if they were not religious?" Wikizilla (Signme!)Talk

Just because some of their lyrics in a few of their songs are of a Christian theme doesn't mean they are a Christian band!

I think they are like Anberlin or Relient K They do some Christian but not all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.33.96 (talk) 04:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tone

This article has abit of a fan-ish tone. I'm going to stamp it for cleanup. Gopherbassist 03:14, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticisms

There should be a criticisms page for them. Many people don't like them and im sure there can be some complaints found. i believe that emogame critisized them

lol, what? a lot of people hate creed, and that is the only thing that should be mentioned, and briefly, if at all. wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so do can you see how a page devoted to critisicms of a band doesnt make sense?

but just so you know, creed is one of the best bands ever :P maybe i should start a page dedicated to why creeds music is so amazing. see Everything Inane 19:56, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Worst band ever, jesus.

I removed the entire "Critism" section as it was purely heresay about "some people" thinking the vocalist sounded too much like Eddie Vedder. If there's a noteworthy "criticism" beyond "some people" haveing some kind of ambiguous vibe about the band, then perhaps that should be documented with references, but otherwise, this section seemed only to serve to bash the group. -- Nick Becker

Yeah! Wikizilla (Signme!)Talk 20:43, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

there should be more criticsms listed. they were listed on the top worst bands ever list by... rolling stone? one of those music magazines for sure


That's funny since Rolling Stone rated their last album "Weathered" (my personal all time favorite album) as 3 1/2 out of 5 stars. Not a bad rating by Rolling Stone for the last album of what they themselves call "one of the worst band evers". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.41.6.23 (talk) 10:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edits

Upgraded infobox. Kguirnela 17:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] since when...

are they post-grunge? i thought they were just shit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.247.124.237 (talk) 03:23, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

Since when was "shit" a musical genre? This is a talk page for discussing the article, not for bashing the band. James25402 20:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Creedlogo.png

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Creed-weathered.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Creed-Human Clay.jpg

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[edit] dumbass

how can human clay be the best selling album of the 21st century in the us if it was released in 1999??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmypop1994 (talk • contribs) 18:13, 19 July, 2007

Because it continued to sell post 1999! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.209.120.204 (talk) 17:11, 4 August, 2007

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[edit] Worst band in the world

If you type in worst band in the world into Google, it will ask you if you meant Creed, shouldn't this be mentioned somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.225.119 (talk) 18:56, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Holy Shit!. He's right (kinda). Frvernchanezzz (talk) 09:27, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Until somebody alters the google bomb to point to another band. Hell, I might get working on this right now. Plain White Tees for the worst band in the world, who's with me? 69.204.194.148 (talk) 14:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Camp?

I was just browsing through wikipedia and stumbled upon the Creed (band)-page. At some point I somehow got the feeling I missed something because of the following sentence: 'Camp left the band in 2001, and Stapp replaced him.'. Who's Camp? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chektones (talk • contribs) 04:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)