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[edit] Vandalism?

I'm no Crayola expert, so I didn't want to do a change on this one, but the following unsourced statement seems like vandalism to me, given the previous mention of the naming origin: "The company actually takes its name form Creon, the tragic king from the famous play by Sophocles." Is this right? If so, it should be referenced (to be clear, not referenced to Sophocles, but referenced to something showing that is why B&S/Hallmark changed the name.) Quine (talk) 01:54, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 16 count box

The article covers when all the boxes debuted, except for the 16 count box. When did it start?76.177.174.82 22:05, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redesign

I have deleted around half of this article and replaced it with two tables listing colors historically and alphabetically. I also added a nice photo of the crayons in a 24 pack. User:GPHemsley has noted it and I hope he likes the new content. --George Hernandez 20:42:47, 2005-09-08 (UTC)

I do like the work you've done, but I also have some constructive criticism. You seem to have put a lot of time into what you've done, and I appreciate that, but I wonder if you could change the HTML table code into Wikipedia table code? I know there are some convertors on the Internet, but I don't have any links offhand. Also, I'm wondering if the detail of your table(s) are worth being in separate articles about each specific box/set, with simpler, text-only lists of the current colors and the retired colors. Also, the footnoting (and similar) could use some work. Other than that, I think it's great! —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 21:28, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
Edited table to show a number (132) that was missing because it had its colour set to white. I'm not sure that the table could be ported to Wiki code, because of the colour information, and because of the rowspan=2 section -- Lardarse 01:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
All of that information about the table can be presented in Wiki code, so I'd say go for it, if you feel like it. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 06:32, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Color of "Dandelion"

I think I recall that "Dandelion" is almost if not exactly the same color as "Orange Yellow". Can anyone confirm this? —Bkell 23:27, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Actually, they are similar but not the same color. Dandelion is just a bit darker in both it's apparent color (what it looks like before coloring) and it's lay down color (the color it looks like when colored on paper). Dandelion was introduced back in 1990 and in some of the larger 120 or 200ct packages of Crayola, you could actually find both crayons. Though you will not find Orange Yellow these days, it is not a retired color nor has it been renamed either. Ed - 13:37, 11 November 2005
Orange yellow is not the same as Dandelion. It was, however, retired in 1990. And, although Dandelion replaced Maize when the latter was retired that same year, they are not the same color, either. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 21:22, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Yep, you are right about Orange Yellow...I was looking at Yellow Orange when I made that comment about not being retired...oops! Maize has been around since 1958 when they renamed "Gold Ochre". Gold Ochre goes clear back to the original 1903/04 lineup. Ed 13:56, 11 November 2005

[edit] HEX / RGB values

Would someone care to elaborate on the HEX/RGB values given. I'd like to know how were they arrived at (scanned and colourpicked, or held up to the screen, using a colorometer) what was the process in deciding them etc. ?

  • My opinion is that the hex values are bunk, since crayon colors are not meant for screen display. I'm getting rid of them. --Dystopos 22:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Color Chronology

I'd love to chat with whomever created this color chronology. I think I could probably authenticate much of this and also give you the real story as I have virtually all the crayons going back to 1903. Unfortunately, I'm probably not technical enough to put this out here in the right format. But as to colors, there's a lot missing here. For example, where is "Madder Lake"? It was an original color that survived until 1935 when it changed to "Dark Red" which also seemed to disappear completely by 1958 with the introduction of the 64ct box. The color chronology in this document is just an expanded look of the ones that Binney & Smith provide on their web page. All references listed in this document ultimately trace back to the same source. But, there is actually a much larger, much more complex picture of the history of colors. For example, "Flesh" actually started out as "Flesh Tint" probably as early as 1905 and didn't get changed to "Flesh" until 1949. In 1957 it was changed to "Pink Beige" temporarily. It quickly went back to "Flesh" and then ultimately got changed to "Peach" in 1962. All the while, there is definitely variation to both the apparent and lay down colors for this crayon over the years. Here's another little color trivia: "Goldenrod" started out as "GOLDEN ROD" but the flower it is named after is all one word. They quickly changed the name to a single word and thus made the two word crayon an instant rarity that can be found only in certain boxes. Oh, and by the way, Goldenrod was just a rename of "Medium Yellow" back in 1958 anyway. "Medium Yellow" was sometimes referred to as "Chrome Yellow, Medium" in the early days. The color goes back to the original line from 1903/04. I could go on and on. ed - 13:33 11 November 2005.

  • Ed. If you can provide this story with reference to specific packages and dates, then I'd be happy to incorporate it into the article. Without the references, it fails to meet the requirements of Wikipedia:Verifiability and we'd need to rely on some other source, such as a published chronology. For what it's worth, if you developed your research into a general interest article, I bet you wouldn't have a hard time getting it published. --Dystopos 22:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I can put together an article. My references would be a mix of actual physical boxes, archive material from the National Archives (there is a large Binney & Smith collection of documents there), catalogs, price lists, dated magazine advertisements. Documenting the true chronology of their colors through time is a large and difficult task and even though I can piece together that chronology through these reference materials, some of the chronology is only as accurate as the material and logical deduction can make it. For example, I may show longer timelines for a particular color because nothing is available between the years of say 1911 and 1917 to validate a shorter timeline. I'll start some work on this article. ed - 20:14 3 May 2006

  • Ed, I would love to see your color chronology be put up here in the near future. I am now thinking of seeing it here.

WikiPro81 01:59, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merges

Merge Crayola 64 because it contains no information not already in this article.

weak merge Magic Scents Crayons. --Quiddity 00:22, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline: Packaging founded on Gold Medal from 1900 or 1904?

The 1904 entry says that their chalk won a Gold Medal at the 1904 St. Louis Worlds Fair. It goes on to say that this Medal was the foundation for their Gold Medal packaging.

However, the 1900 entry states that their carbon black won a Gold Medal at the Paris Exposition.

Could it be that the 1900 Medal was the foundation for their packaging, and that the packaging does indeed date back to 1903? If not, is there any record of the original packaging? It'd be nice to resolve the contradiction noted in the 1904 entry.

--David Laurence Emerson, 28 March 2006

Actually, this can be resolved easily. Look closely at the medal on any vintage Crayola box. It has 1904 in roman numerals right on the medal. There are historical websites out there that have a picture of the gold medal too. Also, each gold medal they won (yes, they won more than those two) were photo'd and featured on the inside cover of many of their price lists and catalogs. The Smithsonian has many of these available for research at the National Archives. And finally, each medal is unique; containing different designs on it. Only the St. Louis Worlds Fair Gold Medal has an Eagle on one side and the two greek looking people on the other.

--User:Ed Welter, 3 May 2006

[edit] Crayons vs. Markers

Anyone able to expand this article so that it includes marker-related info as well?? Georgia guy 17:20, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fine Art from Crayon

We might be able to aded this to the article: apparently there is an artist from Minnesota who makes fine art landscapes, and portraits entirely from crayola crayons from a techinque he designed. His works are amazing considering the medium. Don Marco's website Zidel333 19:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I am an artist from Canada who makes fine art entirely with Crayola crayons. I recently had one of my pieces showing in the Canadian emabassy and just finished an art exhibit in a fine art gallery. Could my work perhaps be considered for use in this article? Here is a link to my work and the show that happened in the gallery. http://asaisart.com/Alan/alan_neufeld.htm Alan Neufeld 22:42 Jan 13/2007

[edit] Colors

Can someone please add more colors to that visual color chart? Bold text

[edit] Article scope

Crayola makes a lot more than just crayons (and markers). I guess it's still fairly new, but Crayola is selling some stuff they call Model Magic (circle R), modeling material. I'd like to find out what part of it's composition causes the curiously unique consistency (clay and play-dough like, but different), but I wouldn't be surprised to find it's an industry secret. Xaxafrad 01:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Made Timeline section into Seperate Article

FYI, I felt the Timeline section, while extensive, was too large to still be in the main article, considering the history section is so thorough. So, I moved the Timeline to its own seperate article Timeline of Crayola. It is linked in the main article, but it needs a lead, and the Timeline itself needs sources. Any help is appreciated. Zidel333 19:26, 2 August 2007 (UTC)