Talk:Counterculture of the 1960s
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Can you please state what exactly this book says. What I am uncomfortable with is the idea that counterculture beganin sixties America which the article implies and I suspect isnt true, eg Rastafarians in Jamaica or pop bands in Liverpool, SqueakBox 23:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The film "Rockin' at the Red Dog" is quite long (2 hours) and presents the history in tremendous detail. It is available through Netflix. I took extensive notes just yesterday evening and added a section to the "Hippie" article. Apostle12 23:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes this is clearly a complex issue but I feel better for having slightly altered the place of the US in the first sentence. Clearly the US was a major centre for 60's counterculture but then so was the UK, beginning with the Beatles but then hitting hard in the later part of the decade. And while Jamaica didnt really become a known centre of counterculturalism till the seventies clearly what was going on there was countercultural and has had a huge impact on society since, smoking bongs while waiting for Haile Selassie I to arrive in Jamaica was, IMO, pure counterculturalism and was the seed for Bob Marly and a hundred other Rastafari reggae artists, SqueakBox 00:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
That's fine. Kept your addition of the UK, provided a specific quote from Hirsh, cleaned things up a bit. Apostle12 00:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Acceleration of the counterculture due to cannabis?
This was accelerated after 1964, when the Beatles were introduced to cannabis in a New York hotel room by Bob Dylan[4], another youth culture icon.
- This is a bit over the top. It's one thing to note this in a section about music or drugs, but to claim that the counterculture of the 1960s was accelerated merely because Dylan got the Beatles stoned is a tenuous historical footnote to an otherwise larger phenomenon. The beats had been using cannabis and spreading it around more than a decade earlier. This should be removed from the lead section. —Viriditas | Talk 02:15, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Response to post 1 and 2
Yes but the Beatles were a revolutionary icon, people saw them as extreemely influential and had a much larger following than the Beats. Noone said it created the counterculture but there is no denying that the Beatles smoking pot had a huge impact, getting more people to join what they were doing and creating a boost in the counterculture population.
And to the first point, you are right the movement started in Europe with America tagging on after it had been created long before. Not that America was just stealing from European culture, since the counterculture is based on new beliefs that anyone no matter where they are from can have,they just didn't start it and joined in when seeing something happening in the world that was truly important. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.96.67 (talk) 03:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- I removed the following from the lead: This was accelerated after 1964, when the Beatles were introduced to cannabis in a New York hotel room by Bob Dylan[1], another youth culture icon. There is no evidence for the assertion that the counterculture was "accelerated" from this incident. —Viriditas | Talk 02:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] New section
Can someone put in a section about the violence of the counterculture movement? Tlatelolco, May 1968, Days of Rage; this is powerful, closely-related stuff, and we need to convey that. And by "we", I mean someone else who knows more about the subject than me. VolatileChemical (talk) 09:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
