Talk:Count of St. Germain

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography. For more information, visit the project page.	Biography Portal
B	This article has been rated as B-Class on the project's quality scale. [FAQ]

	Occult Portal Count of St. Germain is supported by WikiProject Occult in order to expand, improve, and standardize articles related to the occult. Feel free to edit the article attached to this talk page and/or become a participating member.
B	This article has been rated as B-Class on the Project's quality scale. (If you rated the article please give a short summary at comments to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses.)

Is it really "Chateru de Chambord", or Chateau? Is it really Napoleon II? RickK 02:24, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC) Hi Rick . It's chateau (in French , with a circumflex over the first "a"). Chateau means a castle or pleasure palace. Very best wishes

Hi Rick. No, it wasn't Napoleon II. He never ruled France . He was imprisoned by the Austrians after 1815. He died in Austria. It was the Emperor Napoleon 111 (the third) who tried to build up the files on the Comte de Saint Germain. Very best wishes

[edit] second page

Somebody who speaks better English than I do, please visit Count Saint-Germain. Before I made a redirect to this page, it had its own content. Please check if all information is in the longer article, two. Thank you. -- Sciurus 02:20, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Police officers arrest a confidence trickster for selling bottles filled with a liquid that he claims slows the aging process. One officer tells his partner, "Mike, check his record. My instinct tells me that our boy has played this game before." Mike reports back. "You're right, he's got form. He was nicked for the same thing in 1955, 1898, 1721..."

This is quite an old joke. Should this be added to some sort of 'Trivia' section?

NO. Trivia sections are discouraged under Wikipedia rules, and "old jokes" with a tenuous relation to the article's subject have no place here. And sign your posts. Canonblack 21:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.22.250.4 (talk)

I took the liberty to remove the following sentence from the article text: "According to some people St Germain is currently an environmentalist engineer in the Netherlands and is living in a town called IJsselstein near the big city of Utrecht." MCiura 19:46, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

• It would be interesting to know who those "some people" are. I would not be surprised if somebody, somewhere would again claim to be the Count but to include him to the article would take more references. - Skysmith 12:09, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Isn't the mention of the Count's role in Foucault's Pendulum a bit of a spoiler?

[edit] Clarification on name

Was this person from Saint-Germain-en-Laye? -- Beland 21:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

No -- his title originates from a patent of nobility issued by the Holy Roman Emperor in 1324. HenriLobineau 11:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia there wasn't a Holy Roman Emperor in 1324; the throne was disputed. Do you have a source for this?Mswake 22:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of alias

As there appears to be very little information on "Frazer Oldham" besided an outdated website and a Myspace account, I deleted the line claiming that "Frazer Oldham" was considered to be the Count in 2000.

[edit] add alias "Comte de Saint-Germain"?

Hi - Really like the article. However, I originally did a wiki-search on "Comte de Saint-Germain" and found another Count, lacking the ineffable charms of our mystic rogue. The historic Count is also a great entry, but while reading it, I was confused by his mortality.

Would it be possible to add an entry to this one that references his French spelling? That's searchable from the main Wikipedia site? I propose that it'd add to the utility of this entry, being that he's referenced by both titles in literature.

He's IMMORTAL. Surely the guy is worth being listed in more than one language! :D

--Trai dep 05:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Death or otherwise

If the assumption of this page is that he's immortal (which I admit I have a problem with), why is one date of death preferred to any other? Presumably if he's 70,000 years old he's been assumed to have died a few times! Wouldn't it be better to delete the dates altogether, or even just provide a birth date? Mswake 22:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Update - I checked the Wikipedia Manual of Style and have now used the correct form for when dates of birth and death are unknown. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Dates_of_birth_and_death. Mswake 14:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing for sources and citations

I'm going to try and clean up the "Life" section. I found an actual reference in the Horace Walpole letter (which doesn't say he was in Edinburgh, by the way) so kept and indeed expanded that. I plan to work through and delete anything not reliably sourced. This page will probably end up being a lot shorter, but hey - he's mysterious, right?

There's a lot on this page that doesn't stand up to the most cursory scrutiny - for instance, I've deleted a claim that he was "said to be as good a violinist as Paganini" in the 1740s and 1750s when Paganini wasn't born until 1782. Mswake 22:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] editing unsourced material

Lots of unsourced material deleted. I would guess that a lot of the claims originate with Isabel Cooper-Oakley, but if so we should say so (with page references so they can be verified). Deleted the claim that Casanova referred to him as "the violinist Catlini" on the basis of searching Casanova's memoirs (http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2981/2981.txt) for "Catlini", "violinist" and "violin" and coming up with nothing to support it. Added Casanova's (skeptical) account of meeting him. -—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mswake (talk • contribs) 18:23, May 19, 2007 UTC

[edit] standard spelling of name?

It occurs to me that it would be a good thing for the coherence of this article if we agreed on the spelling we'll use for its subject's name. Obviously this is more difficult than usual when there are so many aliases, pseudonyms and suggested identifications flying around, but can I suggest some basics and see what people think?

I suggest that the form "St Germain" (abbreviated St, no full stop) should be how the article normally refers to him - that is, when we're not citing a book title or quoting a source. This matches the title, and there doesn't seem to be a standard agreed on for people with this type of name.

When he is refered to in the "Ascended Master Teachings", the standard is to always spell out fully the world "Saint". It is never abbreviated by them. Among a number of reasons, one reason is that St. or St is usually used as an abbreviation for someone who is considered a canonized saint in the Catholic Church. Arion 3x3 (talk) 16:08, 23 December 2007 (UTC)