Talk:Così fan tutte

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Contents 1 Comment 2 Cosi, the Sandwich Place... 3 Vocal ranges 4 Why link to Mike Oldfield single Don Alfonso (song) ? 5 Is "In popular culture" any better than plain 'ol TRIVIA??? 6 Salieri 6.1 Who marries whom?

[edit] Comment

The title of this opera should not be abbreviated to "Cosi". The word means "thus". Would you abbreviate "As you like it" to "As?" There's also a different play with the title "Cosi," cited in the article. Even though the abbreviation is widely used in English, it should be avoided by giving the three word title or simply saying "the opera". Coughinink 14:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes that's right. - Kleinzach 17:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cosi, the Sandwich Place...

Cosi, the restaurant, did not take its name from the opera: all their in-store advertising suggests that (as the comment above mentions) they took it from the Italian meaning "Like This/That" or "Thus" or etc - IE, they mean it to have the connotation, "This is how it's done." 4.131.39.229 09:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, from the FAQ of the restaurant chain's website: Q: Where does the name 'Così' come from? A: Così comes from the opera Così Fan Tutti, which was a favorite of our original owner. Coppelia 06:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vocal ranges

The link in my edit summary is syntactically wrong; here's the correct one: http://coblitz.codeen.org/dme.mozarteum.at/DME/objs/ed/ucb08_306_2.jpg Michael Bednarek 07:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't see it in your summary, but doesn't this opera have a soprano aria with the highest reach of any in opera? If I recall correctly, it was because of who Mozart had available to sing the role. --Dan (talk) 16:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you're thinking of Der Hölle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen from The Magic Flute, first sung by Mozart's sister-in-law Josepha Hofer. Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I wondered whether "the highest reach" meant something more like "the the biggest required vocal range" - from A below middle C to the C two octaves higher - in which case the aria referred to might be Fiordiligi's "Come scoglio" (though I've no idea whether bigger ranges don't exist in any other opera). The singer who first sang the role {Adriana Ferrarese del Bene} was certainly famous for both her high and her low notes. The article could certainly do with some commentary on the music. --GuillaumeTell (talk) 11:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I think what I mean is the highest note - although range would be interesting - I'm familiar with Der Hölle Rache; my daughter is a coloratura who can sing it, but I thought there was an aria in Cosi that was more challenging. --Dan (talk) 18:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

There are only four arias for soprano in Cosi, two for Fiodiligi and two for Despina. Neither of the latter's arias go very high (and the role is sometimes sung by a mezzo - Cecilia Bartoli, for example). Fiordiligi's other aria ("Per pietà) doesn't, I think, go as high or as low as "Come scoglio", and it doesn't have as many leaps from high to low and vice versa, but it does have a lot of vocal decoration in the final section. So both of her arias are "challenging", but not particularly, I think, in respect of high notes. --GuillaumeTell (talk) 19:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why link to Mike Oldfield single Don Alfonso (song) ?

I don't understand why there needs to be a disambiguation link to the Mike Oldfield single Don Alfonso (song). What's the coonection with Così fan tutte? Michael Bednarek 09:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

The position is that someone once wrote a short article about the character Don Alfonso in Così. Later, someone else turned it into a redirect to here. So if you are an Oldfield fan and you type in "Don Alfonso", you end up here. In an ideal world, I'd say that it would be better if the Don Alfonso redirect became the Oldfield single article and the dab link for the character pointed from there to here. That would involve a lot of fiddling about, but feel free to do it! --GuillaumeTell 10:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I think you're right how this should properly work, and I would do it, but not for a week or so as I'll be away. Michael Bednarek 10:54, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is "In popular culture" any better than plain 'ol TRIVIA???

And should we include in these marginally relevant entries in the article?? Viva-Verdi 05:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Salieri

Which parts of the first act were composed by Antonio Salieri? the infamous rmx (talk) 19:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think any part of it is, although I see how the language in the article is confusing. I think the text refers to a separate version by Salieri that was never completed. Mlouns (talk) 19:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Who marries whom?

One oddity that the article doesn't mention is that the libretto doesn't explain how the four lovers are to pair up in the end -- just that "the men" forgive "the ladies". The stage director has to decide on the pairings. I've seen at least one production where the lovers keep swapping around during the concluding address to the audience, with the men trying to stand by their original fiancees and the ladies trying to keep their new choices. CharlesTheBold (talk) 00:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)