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[edit] Before the Coronation

Does anyone know what the ceremony is called (if any) where a monarch proclaims his/her heir to the throne? The heir is not officially crowned or anything (unless to receive a "prince" or "princess" crown); they are only named as the heir. I know it is probably not practiced now, but was during the Middle and Post-Mideval period...? — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:30, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Something not unlike that took place in Caernarfon in 1969, when the Prince of Wales was installed as such; he even was 'crowned'! It has been called 'investiture' in England/Great Britain/United kingdom. I don't think that there was some kind of such a ceremony for proclaiming the dauphin in France. Mapple 17:27, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Other monachies

There are plenty of monarchies missing, denmark included. Can anyone find this information? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.63.34.250 (talk) 21:40, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Is this accurate?

"In France, the new monarch ascended the throne when the coffin of the previous monarch descended into the vault at Saint Denis Basilica, and the Duke of Uzes proclaimed 'Le Roi est mort, vive le Roi' (French: 'The [old] king is dead; long live the [new] King!')" I thought that French monarchs often forgoed coronation completly, or if they did have one they waited until several years into their reign. Ahassan05 17:00, 16 February 2006 (UTC)ahassan05

[edit] British Monarchy's current ceremony/wording/oath?

Curious if anyone thinks it would be beneficial to include in this entry the text from the British Monarchy's current ceremony? Since Britain is the most well-known in the "western world", it would be interesting, I think, to know exactly what the monarch says at the time of his/her coronation.

Especially curious, I guess, since the Wikipedia entry for "Monarchy in Canada" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_in_Canada#Legal_role ) says that the Queen has obligations to her subjects based on the coronation ceremony. (The Monarch's acceptance of her responsibilities to her subjects is symbolised by the Coronation Oath.)


Can anyone help out here? (I'm not very experienced with how Wikipedia contents are written/organized).

Text of the Monarch of the Commonwealth Realms' Coronation Oath is included here: Coronation of the British monarch. Perhaps just a link from this article to that one is all that's necessary. --gbambino 18:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prayed to the Tsar?

What evidence is there the the Russian peasants prayed to the tsar?

I'm curious as to whether there is any Russian source for this. I've seen it in the writings of several British authors of the 19th and early 20th centuries, but have never seen anything written by a Russian about this. The Tsar was considered the "Abbot" of the nation, and he was often addresed by the familiar diminutive, Batushka, but I don't know of any Russian source saying he was worshipped--unofficially or otherwise--as a god (or even a demigod). MishaPan 21:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rule by the grace of God

I think my edit summaries need clarification. Historically many bishops have been styled "dei gratia episcopus" &c (though I'm not sure about the Pope himself). The formula is often used in the preambles of Papal Bulls too, so it may not be wholly accurate to say that it's never been applied to a Pope. Admittedly it's at least uncommon.

However I don't think that was the point of the paragraph. If you read the whole thing, it's clear that what is being said is not that the by-the-grace-of-God formula was used as an argument for absolutism on its own, but also that a belief that "monarchs were chosen by God" and that "the crown was bestowed by God" was used as an argument for absolutism. Now, according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, "The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, 'supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls'"[1] and most Catholics believe that Apostolic Succession and the office of Pope were established by Jesus Christ Himself. So even if the Pope isn't actually said to rule "by the grace of God", he is still an example of an absolute head of state whose power is said to derive from God.

Even if you disagree with all of that, I don't see why my edit was reverted, except to try to pick holes in the example used in the edit summary. It's obviously not possible to say that the fact "has ceased to be used as an argument for absolutism" since only one person anywhere in the world need repeat the argument in order to contradict the assertion. My edit was a minor improvement. It's much better to state that the argument "was used" without any pointless and unverifiable claims that it's now never used. --Lo2u (T • C) 03:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

My revert was indeed too peremptory. In reality the two versions are about equivalent: neither offers the reader much on the paragraph topic, which is the historically religious aspect of some corontations. --Wetman 04:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)