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[edit] Sign your comments!

Please remember as we debate the finer points of cornbread to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~) Iamvered 22:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yellow v. white

From the article: "While various colors of cornmeal are used, the preference in the north tends to be for yellow cornmeal, whereas the south is heavily biased towards white cornmeal."

I have never seen cornbread made of white cornmeal and live in the south, and quite enjoy cornbread. I wonder if this was someone added this intending to make some sort of unsavory inference (even though as a strange a place it is to do so)... because really, I have never seen white cornbread!--172.175.232.83 09:57, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I live in the south and my grandfather makes white cornbread several times a week. 12.162.189.80 18:32, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I grew up in Mississippi and never knew white corn meal even existed until I moved out of the state. I can't speak for everywhere else, but white cornmeal being used in cornbread is very uncommon there.

I have lived in both north and south. I think the color doesn't matter much. Both places use yellow and white. The Sweet and Salty issue is the real truth though. I never had sweet corn bread until I moved up north. Harmon1630

The Cracker Barrel restaurant chain, found all over the Deep South, puts a small amount of sugar in their cornmeal batter. Or at least they did when I worked at one in the early 1990s.
I'm from the South, and have never seen white cornmeal or cornbread. All the cornmeal I've seen is yellow. This is true in Florida, Georgia, and the Carolinas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.182.158.129 (talk) 22:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cornmeal v. corn meal?

"White cornmeal is preferred over yellow corn meal in the southern United States". Is it one word or two? If it can be spelled either way then the article should really standardise one one. Thryduulf 16:58, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

in the south west US yellow corn meal is preffered206.80.29.190 (talk) 15:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Indian Pone v. Cornbread: To merge or not to merge?

  • Indian Pone and Cornbread are not the same thing. Merging these two distinct foodstuffs would not only diminish the efficacy of wikipedia (why not just link the two seperate articles), but it would represent a factually and culturally incorrect attempt at doublespeak. Although the origins of breads amde from corn may have originated in native american cultures, the traditional southern cake bread that is "corn pone" is an evolutionary step away from "indian pone." Don't merge them.
  • Though the two may be linked historically, cornbread has since become a southern tradition. The two should remain seperate, because modern times have seperated the two to such an extent it would be ludicrous to merge them. pone and cornbread, though similar, are totally different, due to recipe changes and location. Merging the two would generalize the two when they are both completely seperate entities...enough said.
  • CORNBREAD ROCKS!
  • merge Simply gives a recipe for cornbread under a different name. --Kerowyn 09:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Yeah, do that Merge thing. Jack Cain 00:55, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I vote to merge these two articles. --Dumarest 12:29, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
  • i vote against the merge, cornbread is made traditionally in many countries, such as in Mexico. 213.16.187.96 18:03, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Why would you merge?! WHY?!? Haha - honestly, though, why would anyone in their right mind merge "corn bread" with a crazy Indian dish? That's like merging "spicy lamb stew" with "lamb boonah". Jeez!
  • I grew up in the South, eating what I just read about in the article titled Indian Pone, and calling it cornbread. I am less inclined to classify other corn products listed as cornbread by wikipedia than indian pone. Pone, as I see it, is just a cornbread cupcake.
  • Cornbread is generic. Corn pone is specific. I agree that there isn't a lot of difference, but it's a sticky wicket. I'm gonna merge them into the generic article, since the vote seems to be 6-3 in favor, remove the notice, and add the disambiguation reference. If you feel strongly against the merger, revert, and we'll debate some more.Iamvered 22:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Just deleted the following entry from the main page. 159.91.156.104 21:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

"well i know i love corn breade it comes from are roots of the nigger nation and i love it alot i also love kwame lyon and i want to marry him"

[edit] Hushpuppies

What about hushpuppies? Verdad 20:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The 'chemically, rather than by yeast' statement in the intro

Yeast leaveners raise chemically also, so couldn't we find another description rather than 'chemically'? Also, I don't know where eggs would fit into the 'mix'. Anchoress 02:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Well, yeah, technically it's a chemical process, as is life in general, but I think the implication is that baking powder and baking soda/buttermilk use an acid-base reaction, while yeast action involves the whole series of biochemical reactions that are involved in providing energy to the cell, which is of course much more complicated. As for the eggs, they provide a protein matrix to support the bread, since corn lacks usable gluten. Haikupoet 02:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Could anyone put a good description of what that pan made cornbread picture is exactly?

jptdrake 07:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

Should there be a trivia section? For example, 2 Gryphon used Cornbread as an incitive to get his co-host to do his segment of the show ("Furry News"). Tikuko 18:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Umm say what now? 65.12.135.63 16:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Broa

What about merging the article Broa with this one, it would make sense to me.--194.251.240.117 06:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I support merging. Jo7hs2 22:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, Broa is a type of cornbread which whould be described here, not in a separate article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.217.91.94 (talk) 23:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Slang Usage: "Eating the Cornbread"

"The term "eating the cornbread" is also used in sports talk radio to refer to fans who digest everything that a team's management says and believes it without question. It derives from the time of slavery when the slave masters had cornbread as a staple of the slaves' food because it was cheap to buy and filling to eat. In today's context, the fans are slaves to the team ownership and eat everything the team gives them willingly and hungrily, even if it is a substandard product.

The Detroit Lions mandated that the non-rights holding sportsradio station in Detroit, Michigan WDFN stop calling their postgame show "The WDFN Detroit Lions Postgame Show". So, in a majority of the fans vote on line, on October 21, 2007, the Lions postgame show on WDFN was officially called "Cornbread Corner" hosted by Sean Baligian.

See also: Drink the Kool-Aid"

I have deleted the section found above in quotes. This entry belongs on Urban Dictionary, not Wikipedia. This is for a number of reasons. First, the inherant racial undertones are not exceeded by the informative nature of the entry. Second, the it totally irrelevant to the article. Third, it is an un-common slang usage that does not merit inclusion in an ENCYCLOPEDIA. If a desire is expressed to discuss how slaves were fed cornbread due to cost, that might be a logical way of introducing this slang term, but on its own it does not possess an informative content significant enough to merit inclusion here. Finally, and most importantly, this is a short-term reference relating to a single sports show episode that is unlikely to catch on. It seems like the poster was motivated more by love of the show than the desire to present information. Stick it on Urban Dictionary. Jo7hs2 22:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This is just stupid

Removed this:

Eating the Cornbread The term "eating the cornbread" is also used in sports talk radio to refer to fans who digest everything that a team's management says and believes it without question. It derives from the time of slavery when the slave masters had cornbread as a staple of the slaves' diet because it was cheap to buy and filling to eat. In today's context, the fans are slaves to the team ownership and eat everything the team gives them willingly and hungrily, even if it is a substandard product.[citation needed]

This is just stupid. Not everyone plays sport and is a american, keep this food related guys.