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[edit] Third? Which one?

Constitution of France is supposedly the world's third oldest, after the United States Constitution and May Constitution of Poland. Great. But - please tell me - which one of those is that 'third oldest'? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 01:20, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I don't understand your question, could you rephrase it? -- Jmabel | Talk 06:39, Jan 15, 2005 (UTC)
All right. It is often said that France had the 'third oldest written constituion of the world'. My question is - which of the 'Past constitutions' mentioned in the article does this comment refer to? Assuming that it is correct to name the May Consitution of Poland from 1791 the second (and if so, it raises the question what was wrong with the 'liberal monarchical constitution from 1789/90'), and make us wonder if the 'third oldest world's constituion' would be the 'Constitution of 3 September 1791' or one of the latter ones? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:20, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

U.S. Constitution was adopted September 17, 1787; the government under this constitution took office March 4, 1789, so that's one. I'm not sure if the "liberal monarchical constitution from 1789/90" was properly a written constitution, someone from France will probably have to weigh in on that. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:20, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)

Yep. So we are waiting... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:00, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
A quick note about the detail of what is being written here. A contitution that is entirely written is what is being debated. "roperly a written constitution" ? Perhaps that phrase is trying to communicate the same thing. "Constitution of France is supposedly the world's third oldest" ? which constitution ? The first French constitution - i.e. the unwritten constitition of the Bourbons ? Well maybe... The first written constitution ? Possibly. Certainly the current constitution is not one of the oldest. Or do we mean the oldest amongst those currently in force. The British constitution is surely one of the oldest in the world - and indeed large parts of it are written, although not all - but it is certainly not "unwritten" as is often loosely claimed. What is the purpose of me writing this ? To put some perspective of all of these ill-defined constitutional claims. --203.218.95.211 03:02, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Divide

I think this article have to be divide in 2 articles :

  1. Constitutions of France : an historical article and list.
  2. 5st constitution : actual constitution of France. (anonymous 20 March 2005)
    • I presume that is meant to be Constitution of the Fifth French Republic (or some such)? -- Jmabel | Talk 21:56, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] First Article: Social ?

"La France est une République, unie, indivisible, laïque et sociale."

What does the word sociale mean in this context ?

It would appear to be sufficiently loose to be meaningless, but additionally it no doubt carries a vague sense of the ideal of popular rule.

Does this have any bearing on how the French see themselves defined ? And what does it mean with respect to Frances participation in the EU - frequently English-speakers have heard that the French want a "social Europe" (the word Europe being - incorrectly in a literal sense - used to mean the EU) , which is generally perceived as a meaningless phrase (taking the literal meaning of the word "social" - i.e. of people). Those with left-leaning politics trumpet that the word social transmits an ideal of a socialist EU. Is this the same in French thinking ? Why have such a word in a constitution though ? --203.218.95.211 02:52, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Repealed Articles

In what consisted the repealed articles of this last constitution? Renato Rocha --Renato Rocha 06:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

contribs) September 8, 2006.

I'm not sure I understand your question, and I'm probably not the one to be able to answer it. Are you saying that since the founding of the Fifth Republic, some articles of its constitution have been repealed, and you are trying to understand which ones? Or are you asking something else? - Jmabel | Talk 17:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

You understood it, in the constitution text there are several articles repealed like the Articles 78 to 87 and the title XVII of the present constitution. If they were never implemented or if they were later repealed i don't know but i did a little research and i got nothing in english or portuguese. Maybe some french speaker could dig something out... --Renato Rocha 06:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)