Talk:Conservative Democrat

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I made a few edits for NPOV but this article still needs some attention. I don't think it needs to be merged but there is a lot of good material in articles such as Boll weevil (politics), Blue Dog Democrats, Dixiecrats, that can be incorporated (or maybe summarized) in this article. Kaibabsquirrel 20:22, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and do a big expansion of this article. Let me know what you think, or feel free to add anything more that I missed. Kaibabsquirrel 01:37, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] What was it about LBJ that drove conservative away in 1964?

What was it about LBJ that drove conservative away in 1964?

"Conservatives" were driven away by Johnson's support for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. john k 19:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arthur Schlesinger and Jerry Brown

I wouldn't consider either one of these men to be conservatives. Schlesinger's opposition to multiculturalism is clearly from a liberal, New Deal type inclusionary stance rather than a conservative stance, and while Jerry Brown may have adopted some conservative-libertarian ideas, it would be really stretching the meaning of "conservative" in current US political culture to refer to him as a conservative.

[edit] The South

How can the introduction to this article fail to mention the South? Don't we really mean "Conservative Southern Democrat," here? john k 19:20, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

More broadly, this article is rather a mess. Among other things, it seems to think that "liberalism" is synonymous with "leftist," in the immediate post-war period, which isn't true. Cold War Liberals were generally very strong on the liberalism, but Liberalism meant to them anti-communism as well as anti-conservatism (or, perhaps, even more than anti-conservatism). An article which implies that cold war liberalism and right wing dixiecracy are different facets of the same phenomenon has serious problems. john k 19:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I've added an accuracy tag. I think the article makes a lot of dubious generalizations of questionable accuracy. In particular, it implies a parity between the two parties before 1964 that didn't really exist - already at that point the Democrats were clearly the more liberal party on the national level, the Republicans the more conservative, and this had been true since 1932, at least. There's much else that's problematic, but whatever. For now, I've put up the tag. john k 19:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Innaccuracy and POV in the intro

While few would argue that Sam Brownback is conservative or that Ted Kennedy is liberal, the assertion of Joe Lieberman as a "moderate Democrat" is dubious at best. Given that he was most recently elected not as a Democrat but as a third-party candidate, and whether he's a moderate or a conservative is widely disputed, he's really not the best example of a moderate Democrat. Likewise, Lincoln Chafee is a poor choice for a centrist Republican example, since he's officially left the Republican Party. If examples are to be given of centrist wings in the Democratic and Republican Parties, it would make more sense to pick politicians who are actually members of those parties. 71.203.209.0 03:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Article was a bit dusty, so I removed those cobwebs. Settler 02:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Giving all of these as examples of post-1980 "leaders" of their respective parties is weird too, since neither Brownback nor Allard have ever held a Republican leadership post in any capacity, Kennedy is mostly an unofficial leader of a particular party faction, and Pelosi only very recently gained a leadership post. --Delirium (talk) 07:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Difference between conservative democrat and republican

What's the difference between the two? Ie, if a conservative democrat is conservative, should they not have any ideological differences with the Republican Party?Wikischolar1983 (talk) 07:35, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

To be more to the point, are they just conservatives who prefer to belong to the Democratic Party or are they less conservative than conservative Republicans by virtue of being Democrats?Wikischolar1983 (talk) 07:42, 25 May 2008 (UTC)