Talk:Commune (socialism)

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[edit] Splitting off from Commune (intentional community)

I've reviewed the talk page for the article above and understand why this content was removed from the article, but I'm not convinced that it requires its own article. Can anyone explain why this content was not merged instead with Paris Commune? After all there's already a substantial bit of information on that page discussing Marx's analysis, so it seems this would fit right in. --jonny-mt(t)(c) 07:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I would prefer not to merge this with Paris Commune. I thought this article could be about the concept of communes in socialism, partly inspired by but distinct from the actual events of the Paris Commune. I'm planning on doing some more work on this article over the next few days, but I would start out by moving the article to Commune (socialism) so as to include non-Marxist perspectives. I also intend to remove most of the quotes and replace them with a somewhat condensed summary, and add information on the role of communes in anarchism. Hopefully someone with greater knowledge of Marxism could flesh out the details of the role of communes in Marxist theory. -Father Inire 08:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

By moving this section to a new article, this information has essentially been orphaned. I suggest that we move this back to the original article. Since the commune in the marxist sense is indeed an intentional community, the proletariat intentionally creates the commune as the legislative-executive branch of their new nation-state. I agree with Father Inire that there need to be less quotes and more explination. When I originally added this section, I felt that including as many qoutes as possible would prevent any of the information from being disputed. It seems that has essentially backfired. (Demigod Ron 23:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC))

I apologize if I was too hasty moving the content to its own article. However, I think your definition of "intentional community" is too broad. Modern city governments are also intentionally created as part of capitalist democratic nation-states - but that doesn't make them intentional communities as defined in that article. In my opinion these are two very different subjects: small-scale residential communties intended to ameliorate some of the alienation of modern living on the one hand, and free revolutionary cities building a socialist political and economic order on the other. I agree that this article is pretty isolated at the moment, but I feel that can easily be solved because the subject is relevant to many other articles. I was planning to move and expand the article and add links from other articles earlier in the week but I haven't gotten around to it yet. -Father Inire 00:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, good point. After all the commune would the basis of governance for the entire state during socialism, until the state vanishes and communism appears. So the commune would not be a tiny community of people just sharing and carrying on, it would be a brand-sparkling new sociopolitical form. I cannot argue with your logic, Inire. So I will stop trying to put this section back into the original article and instead lend my knowledge to improve the information displayed here. However I know nothing about the anarchist conception of the commune, so we need to attract anarchists to this article in order to truly completely it. (Demigod Ron 16:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC))