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Contents 1 Hainan 2 New Zealand 3 Cambodia/Kampuchea 4 North Korea 5 No Particular Moment in Time 6 Somalia

[edit] Hainan

Why is the island of Hainan (a province of the PRC) colored pink on this map?

It is accidental, I intend on changing shortly. 24630 20:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Zealand

The Communist Party of New Zealand (CPNZ) also supported the Chinese in the Sino-Soviet split right from the outset. Logically if the Communist Party of Indonesia (which was only one of many factions in government- if you're going to mark countries with pro-Chinese/Soviet Communist Parties in government then France, Italy and a whole bunch of other countries should be marked) is coloured then New Zealand should be too.Gegen 05:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC

Yeah, I understand what you mean. Indonesia was never under the official rule of its Communist Party. I just added it b/c it was a significant supporter of the Maoist faction, held a popular majority, and was the third largest communist party in the world. But I think it would be best to just remove the CPI instead of adding the CPNZ, because almost every country has/had a communist party. 24630 01:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cambodia/Kampuchea

Cambodia is coloured yellow on the map which represents the alignment of the Khmer Rouge with China, but perhaps the map or the caption should note that after the 1979 the Vietnamese-installed government of Cambodia was aligned with Vietnam and the Soviet Union and the opposition Khmer Rouge was still aligned with China.72.27.58.20 18:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

That is true. But I categorized them during the onset of the Sino-Soviet Split, because Albania would also eventually split from the PRC and become a non-aligned communist nation. 24630 06:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] North Korea

I would suggest that the DPRK was more closely aligned with the Soviets than the Chicoms. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 02:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No Particular Moment in Time

The last two comments bring out a good point about how this map is confusing: It doesn't represent any moment in time accurately. At the time of the SS split, Cambodia wasn't aligned with either China or the USSR. It would be more than a decade before they turned any kind of Communist. And while it's true that China was their first alignment, the amount of time they spent in the Soviet orbit was several times longer. Likewise Nicaragua was also of course much later (and Ethiopia, South Vietnam, etc.)

Making this a much bigger deal is the fact that long before any of this happened, Rumania had de facto ceased to be in any way more closely aligned with Moscow than Beijing. Yes, they were in the Warsaw Pact, but then so was Albania, officially, until 1968. Clearly this map is overall more about capturing de facto alignments than pacts, for why else would Nicaragua be there at all? Comecon? It wasn't even an associate member, whereas Yugoslavia had voting privileges. Clearly de facto is more important. And it's worth it to mention that Rumania had much warmer relations with China, Albania, and North Korea than with the Soviet Union. North Korea itself, on the other hand as pointed out, is actually easier to mark as a Soviet tilter than Rumania. So oddly enough, despite Rumania's being marked as pro-Soviet and North Korea not, Rumania's closest thing to an active Soviet alliance may have been its friendship with the, in-turn, Soviet-friendly North Korea!

Long story short, maps are a great idea, but a few tweaks may be in order.205.212.75.210 09:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest hatching as a solution to the problems presented by Cambodia/Kampuchea and the other states. For instance Kampuchea could have diagonal stripes of alternating yellow and red to show that it alternated between the USSR (when Vietnam overthrew the Khmer Rouge) and China (when the Khmer Rouge was in power). As for Romania, well, they could be coloured the same way, although they seemed to pro-Soviet, pro-Chinese and pro-isolationist all at once. The same goes for North Korea.72.27.162.52 18:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Why not just make an animated gif map where countries can be colored differently as time progresses, along the lines of the WW2 occupation map? --NEMT (talk) 07:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Somalia

I think Somalia switched over to China during the Ogaden War against Soviet-backed Ethiopia.Countakeshi (talk) 10:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)