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Contents 1 Skynet 2 Forbin or Forbidden 3 The or the 4 Real Colossus 5 Plot correction? 6 Image in infobox 7 Final speech by Colossus 8 Colussus' voice 9 Colossus Remake 10 Fair use rationale for Image:ColossusTheForbinProject.jpg

[edit] Skynet

Under See also>Skynet, something should be added that Skynet could be considered the opposite of Colossus. While Skynet want mankind dead, Colossus want the opposite - for humans to live better lives. This is very important, saying that Skynet and Colossus is the same would be... Computer racism (yeah... right?) Ran4 18:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Forbin or Forbidden

Moved because it had an incorrect name.--Kross 20:14, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)

Nope. I moved it back. Google of "Colossus: The Forbin Project" gets 11,000 hits. Google of "Colossus: The Forbidden Project" get 14 hits. "Forbin" is the name of the lead human character. "Forbidden" is just a misspell. At least now we redirect the misspell to the real one. -- A D Monroe III 21:57, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm a moron. Forbidden seemed to make more sense and I figured it was a typo. I should check more carefully next time.--Kross 22:58, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)

The first time I saw this movie in TV Guide, I also thought it was a really bad typo and was supposed to be "Forbidden". One of the reasons Colossus wanted to take care of us is the annoying habit of humans jumping to the wrong conclusions! Jimaginator 19:13, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The or the

Oops. I've created a different problem. When I last moved this page, it seems I accidentally changed it from "Colossus: the Forbin Project" to "Colossus: The Forbin Project". For book titles, I think it's supposed to be lower-case on the, but it's a movie title, which make up their own rules. Sigh. I'll look into this when I get a chance, but, hey, maybe someone will beat me to it. (Great. I've now made the talk page longer than the whole article.) -- A D Monroe III 00:49, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I believe that, after a colon, it's a capital "T". IMDB spells it with a capital "T". Colossus: The Forbin Project (1970). --Davecampbell 06:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Now a days, all words in a title are capitalized. Jason Palpatine 11:56, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Real Colossus

"It has been speculated that Jones named his rogue computer after the "real" Colossus computer, because of the secrecy that surrounded the project." — does anyone have a credible source for this speculation? — Matt Crypto 10:36, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

On an internet biography I read years ago, it said that DF Jones had worked on the "real" Colossus computerproject. No source given on that biography. Septagram 04:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot correction?

"These attempts are easily thwarted by Colossus, who detonates two nuclear warheads in retaliation, killing millions." Really? The missiles are detonated in their silos, presumably just killing - in the short term - the teams of technicians who are attempting to disarm them. I would suggest that the words "killing millions" be removed. Tevildo 16:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Right, I meant to check on that but forgot. It seems to me that Colossus refers to "being forced to kill thousands" in his speech to the world. And wasn't it just one missile he detonates? I have the DVD; I'll check that tonight. KarlBunker 16:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I think we can assume he detonates a Russian missile at the same time he detonates the American one that we see, but that's just an assumption. Tevildo 17:22, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Damn, what a knockout ending that movie has.  :-) Yup, it's two missiles and "thousands" of deaths. KarlBunker 00:21, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image in infobox

I put the original promo poster up in the infobox; unfortunately the best one I could find (at the impawards.com) still has its ratings tag on it. If someone could find a better one, I'd appreciate it. Reimelt 05:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Final speech by Colossus

Is it too long/too much? I just think it summarizes and explains so many details as well as the theme of the film. Please feel free to change it or remove it as you wish, I'll check back here often to discuss it. Thanks everyone! --Nutschig 09:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I had previously added the last line in the movie, namely Forbin's reply "Never" to Colossus, but someone took it out. I believe that both Colossus' words and Forbin's reply should be included, because it shows what Colossus intends, but also shows that Forbin at least will be resisting. Jimaginator 11:46, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Nutschig --I'm not sure what you mean by the final speech. The section "The Dawn of the Age of Colossus", shown in this dif, I found way too long and too much; it gave the article an excessive, amateurish "fanboy" feel.

Jimaginator -- I think that adding Forbin's "Never!" really decreased the impact of the description of the movie. The ominous, scary thing about the ending is in Colussus's lines. Forbin's denial serves to defuse that ominous tone. It certainly works in the movie itself, but in the article, it was like continuing to add detail to a joke after the punch line. KarlBunker 13:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

KarlBunker -- I agree that IF Forbin did not make the final "Never!" statement that the movie might have more impact, but the movie does include this line. Is the article supposed to be what we would LIKE the movie to be, or what it actually is? Jimaginator 19:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

That isn't what I said, as you'll see if you reread. I'm saying that the description of the movie, as a description, is better if that part of the ending is left out. Just as the rest of the ending was left out--the dialog-free visual sequence where a series of Colossus'-eye-view shots of Forbin are all put on the screen together in (as I recall) a 3x3 grid. Obviously adding that bit of detail to the description of the movie would be correct, but it would be boring to read and it's better left off. KarlBunker 19:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I do understand what you meant. However, it is only your opinion as to what has more "impact" or what is "boring." No mere text article could ever really do justice to any visual work anyway. In my opinion, it is certainly chilling to hear Colossus' last words, but Forbin actually has the last word, a word of foreshadowed resistance. Is this not part of the story?Jimaginator 23:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Colussus' voice

The article mentions who did Colussus' voice, but didn't Colussus just have everything he said printed out on a screen or something? I haven't seen the movie in a while, but I don't remember the computer having a voice. Recury 01:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Initially Colossus didn't have a voice. Later in the film - at the end if I remember? He had this chrome ball on a stick thing that he spoke out of. --Commking 04:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

After Collossus had Forbin placed under surveylance, it ordered that a voice synthysizer of it's design be built. -- Jason Palpatine 04:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

He sounded a lot like the voice out of that song Night Flight to Venus, by Boney M. Basically a 1970's electronic synthesised voice.. --Commking 04:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

You can do quite a fair imitation of it by talking in a monotone through an electric fan.  :-) -- 201.37.229.117 (talk) 03:53, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Colossus Remake

On the Internet Movie Database (imdb.com) or scifi.com, Also said that Ron Howard is looking into a starting remake of CTFP in 2008. Anyone know more about it? Septagram 04:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:ColossusTheForbinProject.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. RedSpruce (talk) 20:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)