Talk:College of Cardinals
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Is the presentation of this list copied from catholic-pages.com? It sure looks like their list.--L.E./12.144.5.2/le@put.com
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[edit] Wikipedia's list of notable cardinals does exist
Why is someone putting this extensive list of links to articles about cardinals without adding them to the list of notable cardinals? "Notable" in this context seems to be construed as meaning "the subject of a Wikipedia article". I've found within the last few minutes that some of the cardinals listed here who do have Wikipedia articles about them are not on that list. Michael Hardy 20:21, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Cardinal in pectore
pope died, but In 2003 the Pope announced he was also creating one cardinal secretly (in pectore), which would have taken effect if the appointment had been announced before the Pope's death. This prelate is believed to reside in the People's Republic of China.The Pope turned 80 yester day. who is him? --????Pope Benidict the 16th.
- The point of "in pectore" is that it's secret. No one apart from the pope who named him and himself knows who it was. Cardinal in pectore means cardinal in the pope's heart, don't enjoy the privileges etc. of a normal cardinal. The only thing is if a cardinal in pectore were later to become a full cardinal, his seniority (time as a cardinal) would start counting from when he was named as a cardinal in pectore. On a related note, the rumour about being in China's was I think referring to the Archbishop of Hong Kong. -- KTC 21:35, Apr 3 2005 (UTC)
[edit] What has happened?
Is it just me - or has this page changed dramatically. It used to list the currently alive cardinals - now it seems to list the whole lot created since the time of Paul VI. Personally I preferred the currently alive cardinals, those being over 80 and therefore non-voting in a conclave duly asterisked. If there is need to mention other cardinals they should be in articles about the individual or about the diocese or dicastery or curial office to which they belong. It is my hope that someone will tidy this up and revert it to the alive cardinals again. My belief is that the College of Cardinals is a living organ of the Church and should only contain the living members of the College. Kiddo54 04:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
The idea of the College being a "living organ" of the Church is more in the realm of devoitional theology than an encyclopedia article. However, I agree with Kiddo on different grounds: it is defensible to either list only current cardinals (as this is a reference 'book") or ALL cardinals in history for the sake of completeness (this is impossible, as it wopuld require vast amounts of space for little benefit, and one can link to other sites that do have this information, or something close to it). Listing all cardinals appointed in -- what? the lifetime of a particular contributor? -- doesn't make any logical sense. Let's reduce this to the current members, with an asterisk for non-voters, as suggested.HarvardOxon 04:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
If there is a desire to maintain a more complete list of Cardinals in history one might adopt the rough structure used in this article but have separate articles for each pope. In other words, "Cardinals Created by Pope John Paul II", "Cardinals Created by Pope Leo XIII", etc. And those articles could then split the list by the various consistories held by that pope and would include links to both living and deceased. (And no, I'm not volunteering for this project - there are already several websites that provide the information in a useable format.)--Dcheney 00:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cardinal Bishops
The current Cardinal Priests and Cardinal Deacons are listed under the Pope who appointed them a cardinal. Why was this removed from the Cardinal Bishops section (I'm assuming it was for page length reasons). GoodDay 16:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The New Pope Turned 80 Years of Age on April 16,2008
Pope Benidict the 16th turn 80 years old in his pillgrimage to the United States. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.219.158.123 (talk) 00:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed split
I propose that the list of current cardinals be split into a list article so free up space for the history, function, traditions, and significance of the College. Something like List of current Roman Catholic cardinals. Discuss. Savidan 00:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
