Talk:Collective consciousness

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[edit] Why the redirect?

Why is this article a redirect? –– Constafrequent (talk page) 13:15, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Terribly weak article (Opinion)

I hate to make my first comment negative, but this article amounts to little more that pseudoscience and should be removed. To mark it only for cleanup misses the point in my opinion.

The author states:

"Biologists, competent also in physics, maintain that these observations can be explained by existence of so called quantum entanglements.

"It seems probable that people acting synchronously and together during mass meetings, like religious invocations or ideologically rationalized manifestations and war battles become entangled by this kind of physical mechanisms."

There is nothing I am aware of in quantum physics theory to support such a supposition, certainly nothing that attributes a "probability" that quantum interference explains the behavior of organisms in any way. Recommend, for starters, citations for this comment, although truthfully this would be considered mere speculation by nearly all physicists. Biologists with "competence" of quantum theory are not credible sources as far as I'm aware. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tlcastle (talk • contribs) 21:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

It starts fairly well but the rest is just nonsense. This is better as an article about the sociological term coined by Durkheim - the rest just isn't right, and none of the links actually point to relevant, reliable research. There also seems to be a confusion with Jungian "collective unconscious". I'm going to work on this - which will involve a major deletion of the non-sensical text. Madmedea 18:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually, just looking in my dictionary of sociology this article is confusing social facts with the "collective conscience" and "collective consciousness". So I'm going to fix that as well. Madmedea 19:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, get over yourselves. You can't kill the idea of collective consciosness regardless of how much you want to. Soak in it, bitches.Jiminezwaldorf 02:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Consciousness and conscience?

It seems a common error to use the two interchangeably. The definitions of consciousness and conscience in English are different. The original French (quoted in the article) also translates to the former, plus, the sociological concept is not represented well using the term "collective conscience". Jamshyd 23:58, 4 May 2007 (UTC)Jamshyd

Right: Collective consciousness or collective conscience are [... terms that] were used by the French social theorist Émile Durkheim (1858-1917). He used the terms in his books The Division of Labour (1893), The Rules of Sociological Method (1895), Suicide (1897), and The Elementary Forms of Religious Life (1912). No he didn't. He used the term conscience collective in his book Les Règles de la méthode sociologique. Maybe he used it in other books too, and maybe he used other terms; offhand, I'm not sure. ¶ The article talks of "conscious collective" in the original French. Really? Amazing, as to me that doesn't even sound like acceptable French. Where does this occur?
I can guess how to fix all of this, but WP purports to be an encyclopedia. Perhaps I'm just old-fashioned, but I don't think an encyclopedia should be run by guesswork. -- Hoary 08:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and fixed the French, and also removed "collective conscience" which is not a correct translation of the term. Mona-Lynn 23:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

http://www.awakeningearth.org/PDF/collective_consciousness.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.9.220.57 (talk) 22:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Conscience collective

I have redirected this article here. Those two terms seem to be treated as one and the same in at least some scholarly publications; ex. [1], [2] or [3]. That said, there seem to be some rather nuanced difference, but I have yet to find a source that clearly and neatly explains it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 06:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)