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[edit] Demographic and Genres

Many times there has been some addings to the first infobox on the Code Geass page where someone usually adds a genre or a demographic. Should there be anymore genres added as it seems there is more genres than just Fantasy, Mecha, and Science Fiction and some websites listing Code Geass information show the demographic listed as Shonen or Seinen. Should there be a demographic and more genres added to the infobox? 24.82.132.101 00:00, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

A demographic, yes. I'm thinking Seinen since it's a pretty gruesome show, noting the first use of Lelouch's Geass and such. That and the DVD extras. As for more genres, I think that's enough. There's not enough romance to stick that genre in... TinFoil 16:07, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Blood is still shounen. The mere appearance of blood doesn't make something instantly 'gore' in Japan. --AnY FOUR! (talk) 21:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Although I agree, this series is not for the light of heart, there is some problems with serialization that ma throw it off balance, since the manga was serialized by Asuka, which is a shoujo magazine. However, Asuka also serialized Cowboy Bebop, which is obviously Seinen aswell, but because of this odd serialization, will it really work to add the Seinen demographic here, instead of just leaving it blank? Just my thoughts. TofuMaster00 4:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
The series is an original anime series, so it cannot be classified per a common demographic based on the serialization of its manga adaptation, therefore it has to be kept blank. Simply judging its demographic via its content would be original research; the only viable method for a show is classifying it by the magazine in which it was serialized. ···巌流? · talk to ganryuu 08:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major expansion and cleanup

I've just performed a major overhaul and expansion of the article, adding production, development and release sections detailing the development, planning, broadcast and release of Code Geass, and also cleaned up and completely re-wrote several other parts of the article. The article, in my opinion, looks far better now, encyclopedic and up to an excellent standard. ···巌流? · talk to ganryuu 16:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Way to go, Ganryuu! I see you've adopted my staff table from Madlax article... ^^; Anyway, I think, subsections "Knightmare Frames", "Geass", "World", and "Terminology" should be moved to a separate article (Fictional setting of Code Geass, perhaps?): they are lists right now, plus they are describing what's IN the series, rather than the series itself. As long as the new article keeps well out-of-universe and referenced, it should be no problem. Also, IMO the whole "Distribution" section deserves an article of its own (List of Code Geass media). It's possible to merge it with the episode list and the "Other media" section, too. Of course, these are just my personal recommendations. ^^ Other than that, the article is fantastic, especially the "Production" section. --Koveras ☭ 15:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I had noticed your staff table in Madlax and thought it was excellent, but had to wait for a suitably-expanded and referenced production section to add it to the article (^_^). I completely agree that the in-universe material would need a lot of cleanup and should be moved to a new article; "Settings and themes of Code Geass" sounds like a nice title, I think, and so I've just started the article accordingly. The merge of the episodes, other media and distribution sections into a media section also seems like a pretty good idea. ···巌流? · talk to ganryuu 02:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

There are 2 Knightmare Frames section, I suggest having one is enough. Monstez 17:31,13 July 2007 (UTC)

I think so, too... Since we already have an article that deals exclusively with Knightmares, it's OK to just add a brief description of them to the plot introduction. And I'd add a sentence there about what "Geass" actually is. I also think that the plot summary should be expanded into a real summary (albeit as short as possible), rather than just introduction but since the story is not over yet, it can wait. The main concern within the in-universe part right now should be the characters section: except the link to the list, it should probably contain a paragraph for each of the major groups in the series (Black Knights, Britannia, Ashford Academy) and mention smaller ones (Kyoto, JLF). --Koveras ☭ 13:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

That's all well and good, but shouldn't there be an explanation as to why the final two episodes were delayed? It's an important point, and would benefit the article. 82.6.174.6 14:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Design

Ok I've been working in my sandbox trying to create a more efficient setup for the article. And I'd love some feedback on it before I go and make any changes to the article itself. I would also love some help adding content to the Related works section in the infobox.--88wolfmaster 23:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I was kinda wondering, why production first and not at the bottom like the staff, and why not the Plot summary first? Maybe you can explain your design, that would be easier for us? Thank you. --Monstez 06:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monstez (talk • contribs)

I agree; any good article about a work of fiction should explain first what it is about, not who produced it. This is a problem I see often in Wikipedia Anime articles. I suggest moving the whole Storyline section to before the Production one. -Wilfredo Martinez 22:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

fixed, how is it now? Anything else? I based my design around reorganizing the sections (because some where not in the most relevant sections) so as to streamline the article.--88wolfmaster 19:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
In reference to the previous production section, several good-class media-related and featured-class anime articles on the project, such as Madlax and Prison Break follow the exact same format; this is the reason why I chose it, as related sub-sections such as production, staff and broadcast must be included in the same section as they are certainly related and must be linked. I've therefore changed the non-universe sections back into their original sub-sections, per the featured format used in the featured-class article Madlax. Please see WP:FICTION for more information. ···巌流? · talk to ganryuu 06:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Also, reception, broadcast and media details must proceed the production and development sections, as the development of the series was the first non-universe portion of the series to be completed, whereas the other non-universe phases happened as a result of the development. I've therefore utilized the excellent featured format used in the featured-class article Madlax and per WP:FICTION. ···巌流? · talk to ganryuu 06:39, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Does anybody know were the design for an Alternete History idea came from? SG2090 (talk) 17:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fan userbox

Hi all, I thought it might be fun to have a fan userbox template for Geass, too, so I went ahead an created one. Feel free to add {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Userbox/User Geass}} to your user and/or userbox pages. ^^ About the layout: I decided that plain black and white design would be the best to underline the diversity of the show and I'm also well aware of the strong association with Pizza Hut of the current catchphrase, but I think it sounds cool nonetheless. :P --Koveras ☭ 22:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Goodie, thanks!--Monstez 06:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monstez (talk • contribs)

[edit] Albums page

In order to avoid clutter on the main page, I think instead of a specific "List of Code Geass albums" page, we should have a "List of Code Geass media" page. That DVD table is a huge eyesore in the article... >_>

As a side note, are TV broadcasting times in Japan really significant here? Just wondering what everyone thinks. Darkslime (talk) 23:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

An overall media page could be a good idea, however the albums article can stay as well, a link from the media article should suffice. TV broadcast schedules and timings are indeed very relative and significant to the article since the subject is a Japanese television series and as such a record of its timeslots, as well as its upcoming timing changes in the second season, would be an interesting way to chart its development (see the Japanese wiki article for a similar list). The Japanese TV ratings and DVD sales would also be an excellent and notable addition to the article and I will be looking to add these in the future. ···巌流? · talk to ganryuu 00:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Point taken about the broadcast schedules. In any case, the List of Code Geass media page has been created, and I moved all non-major media-related info there. If someone would mind taking it from here, this is a bit new to me. It was mainly just a c+p. >_> Darkslime (talk) 18:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese time system

I've changed the the dates without time references as they're wrong no matter what system we're using. The dates with times are technically correct in JST but shouldn't we list times/dates as they're standardly shown in English-speaking countries?Frozen North. (talk) 03:35, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately your date and time are wrong. You ended up moving the dates one day up. Japan is basically "ahead" of most countries in terms of time. [Example: USA (EST) - 10:49pm Jan 06 / JST - 12:49pm Jan 07] And in terms of dates, I assume we stick to when it aired in Japan, and not to when it aired in Japan relative to someone in the US. The premise for this is correct context because the information is to provide the reader with when the broadcast aired in Japan and not elsewhere.Fox816 (talk) 03:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
No, I moved the dates without times up one because the episodes aired past 24:00 on date 'X' which means they technically aired in the early morning of date 'X+1'. Truncating "25:25 October 5" to "October 5" is simply incorrect. My concern is that while leaving the dates with times in 24:00+ is not necessarily wrong, it could be confusing since dates may appear to contradict each other. Therefore, I was suggesting that the air times be changed to a 00:00-24:00 format (ex. 25:25 October 5 becomes 01:25 October 6, matching the correct original air date of October 6). Frozen North. (talk) 06:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Ahh, I see. That's peculiar but rather useful in a way. The 24:00+ format eliminates the mental uneasiness regarding late night/early morning times. There were some minor disagreements regarding anime time placement on Adult Swim where series were promoted as part of their Saturday block and considered just that, though technically the shows aired on a Sunday- rather the same basis for the stations using the 24:00+ format. Ramblings aside, I don't see much problem with using both dates. Where no time is specified then use the "correct" date. Then again it wouldn't be a problem to just switch all formats to the standard 24hr time and move the days up. However, the original 24:00+ format with date is more widely known and that the station promoted the series as part of their Thursday late night lineup. Though correct to say it aired on Friday it would certainly cause confusion with those familiar to the regular broadcast formatting. Quite a predicament. Fox816 (talk) 08:40, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Please do not modify the article's current date format. This is the exact format used by official sources and notable publications including Anime News Network, Newtype and several others. In the future, please do not revert or make such wholesale changes without a prior discussion. Thank you. ···巌流? · talk to ganryuu 01:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Another notable source, AniDB, has guidelines specifically addressing the 24+ hour time system and discusses how even official sites use the "wrong" date [1]. Internet sites aside, a show airing at 01:25 on the 6th, while having an air-time listing of 25:25 on the 5th so that viewers have an easier time figuring out when to tune in, technically aired on the 6th. Unless the 24+ hour time is explicitly associated with the date, I'm all but certain it's incorrect no matter which time system we use. Frozen North. (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Genre

While I don't think that Code Geass is a phychological thriller, I don't think it's entirely described with just "fantasy, mecha, science fiction." Shows from those three genres are a dime a dozen and I don't think I've ever seen one that has... would you say, mind games? To such an extent. Many people say, "If you like Death Note and mecha, Code Geass is exactly what you're looking for."

What genres would better describe Code Geass, I wonder? Mystery, maybe? It's not a triller, but it's not just a plain old action show. There's a lot of clever planning and strategy. There's the mystery of C.C. and V.V. and the power of Geass. There's mental showdowns with Mao. There's the intrigue of Lelouch's past and his struggle to keep his real identities - both of them - secret. Anyone have any ideas? 206.248.181.52 (talk) 18:59, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't agree with Mind Games, since those are pretty one-sided, but I think this anime should belong to the Drama genre. Although I am not familiar with the criterion of that genre, Code Geass is obviously quite dramatic. And hey, Gundam can do it! --85.250.130.23 (talk) 15:56, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

"If you like Death Note and mecha, Code Geass is exactly what you're looking for." - Yes, but that in itself is a mistake. Death Note is mainly phsicological, a "brain showdown" between Kira and L. The reason both series are associated is not the genre in itself, but the similarities between the two main characters, Lelouch and Yagami Light, where, feeling that the world is rotten, they have the desire to change it, using whatever means are possible, after they are given power (Death Note and Geass) to do so. Other similarities are the unusually high level of intelligence, and being able to conceal their true intentions even to their closest friends/family.

Although Lelouch does show some high-level thinking and plotting, it is not shown as well as in Death Note, see the first episode (or was it the second?) in which he commands the rebels as chess pieces. He says go to R3, block S1, etc. But it isn't shown WHY he gives such commands, it only shows he's very smart. Besides, I can describe FMA (Fullmetal Alchemist) as an Action/Magic/Drama series, of which there are thousands, but that wouldn't be fitting, would it? The point is, genre are used to roughly describe what it's all about, it doesn't go into details, heck, it doesn't tell you ANYTHING at all about given series, except that it has some robots/mechas or some dramatic events. You shouldn't be so worried about that anyways, if it's a good series, whatever genre it is, it will be seen nonetheless. 85.242.188.37 (talk) 22:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] manga

code geass is ALSO a manga, so shouldnt u add how many volumes or chapters r in there? I would frankly like 2 know how many volumes there are, and i bet other people would, 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.132.12 (talk) 13:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not really sure, but wasn't the manga a spinnoff from the series? Like in Pokemon, where they made the anime, which originated a manga series. Still, if you or someone else finds info about this, please add. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.242.188.37 (talk) 22:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Geass"

What's the etymology of "Geass"? Might it be it the Irish gaes? -- AvatarMN (talk) 14:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

A large number of fans believe so but it has never been officially confirmed, ergo it's original research. %) --Koveras ☭ 09:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Imperial family; Geass vs. geass

I have a couple of questions:

1) Concerning the imperial family, how should their "middle names" (is that the right term in this case? You know, the "vi"s and "el"s and whatnot) be capitalized? I recently moved "The Emperor of Britannia" to Charles di Britannia, but I then noticed that the rest of the characters have their middle names capitalized (e.g. Lelouch Vi Britannia). Yet the Japanese Wikipedia article doesn't have them capitalized. And hey, it's Leonardo da Vinci, not Leonardo Da Vinci.

2) Do we capitalize the word "geass" or not? Some articles have the word capitalized, some don't. Hell, some have it both ways!

Chibi Gohan (talk) 17:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


Should we possibly consider making an article on the "Geass"? (I believe it should be capitalized because it is a name rather than just a word.) 71.177.91.89 (talk) 06:17, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Opening / Ending for R:2

I was trying to find the names of the two new songs, and I'll I've seen is that the new opening is done by Orange Range; I don't have the tools to write the title, nor the knowledge to decipher Japanese. Anyone who has the knowledge, I'd appreciate it if you could enlighten me and the music section of this article.Shint (talk) 20:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

The new theme songs for the R2 series is in the Code Geass R2 article. They're "02" and "Shiawase Neiro". DarkAngel █▀▀007▄▄█ 02:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Ahh, my apologies. ThanksShint (talk) 16:29, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Updated info on United States airing

The first episode of the English dub of Code Geass aired this morning (or night?) at 1:30 AM on Adult Swim. However there are no reliable sources that I can find that confirms this, and the official Adult Swim website seems to have not be updated to include the new show yet, except for a rotating banner ad stating "NEW ANIME SHOW. CODE GEASS. WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE IT EITHER." - ThreeDee912 (talk) 13:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I added some basic information about the airings in the United States into the Broadcast section. Feel free to revise/update it if it's not good enough. ThreeDee912 (talk) 13:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2

I'm not sure why someone made a second page for the second season, but I've merged most of the content back into this article. -- Ned Scott 09:59, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New World Order

I'm surpized nobody has said how this directly relates to the NWO. Britannia (uhhh dead give away) the creation of a super power dictatorship between the USA, Great Britain, etc in the near future. This show is based off of the largest conspiracy theory in the world. I really think this should be noted in the main page. Saferv (talk) 14:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)Saferv

Unless you can present a reliable source for this claim, it's nothing but original research and thus has no place on Wikipedia. —Dinoguy1000 16:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, Britannia is supposidly the name that the NWO is associated with in the past and present. also the whole idea of the major "white" nations forming into a superpower dictatorship are related to the theory. it's just like gundam seed destiny's logos organization. there's a bunch of books that support it and sites that state it, i'm too lazy but it's really evident that the show uses some of those ideas as do other animes of the conspiracy theory.Saferv (talk) 22:28, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
It's immaterial that "there's a bunch of books that support it and sites that state it" if you're too lazy to provide proof of any of them. And no, telling us to "do a Google search" won't help your case. No one else here is going to go out of their way to establish a connection between Code Geass and any conspiracy theories, unless said connections end up in the news (which I seriously doubt will ever happen). Provide a few sources, and the information might be added. Otherwise, you may as well forget it. —Dinoguy1000 15:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Well the show is based on what would've happened if The British Royal Family had fled from Napoleon and settled in their North American colonies. The USA never actually existed. This is more of a tale of the Revolutionary War if anything...NinjaRooster (talk) 08:38, 18 May 2008 (UTC)